This is “democratic” Ukraine

[JohnnyDoe]

Ukraine is not a democracy. Ukraine is not Europe. All the brainwashed monkeys that wave‌ Ukrainian flags are supporting a dangerous US puppet that is posing concrete risks to Europe.‍

I. What you do hear is warmongers arguing that we must protect Ukraine because it's⁠ a democracy. Ukraine isn't actually a democracy. For example: To hold on to power, Zelensky⁤ shut down the three TV stations that were openly criticizing him and his policies. Zelensky⁣ then fabricated a story that was reported in the Financial Times (2-3-21) claiming the stations⁢ were shut down because of spreading "Russian disinformation," framing it as a "national security risk."︀
II. Imprisoned the head of the opposition political party that had come in second place︁ in their elections.
III. Arrested and jailed all of that party's leaders.

This is exactly︂ what Putin has been accused of doing. But Ukraine did this all with the support︃ of the U.S.

 

[John Spectre]

1-2-3 is total bulls**t.
I'm tell it to you as a UA citizen.

1. closed‌ channels was just because separatism propaganda. It would be closed in any EU or US‍ country. Just imagine that in 2022 some TV channel in Germany will propaganda n**i...
Documents collecting and court hearings started even when Poroshenko was president. With Zelensky it just courts⁠ decides to close channels. It s a few years long road.

2. second place in⁤ election was on Poroshenko(previous president) and he is *not* jailed at this moment. And his⁣ party is not actually opposition.

3. "Оппозиционный блок/платформа" Opposition party both leaders(muraev, novinsky, boyko, rabinivish,⁢ shufrich, etc) and most of a deputies are not jailed now, despite the fact they︀ must be jailed even at 2014.

This is exactly trash sources which you use for︁ doing such fake data. Probably from russia or sources that sponsored by russia

 

[12345]

Yes the country is very poorly managed and corrupt (check ppp per capita) which only‌ favors radical ideologies like in the middle east countries but of course bewere of russian‍ propaganda

 

[John Spectre]

To be honest, number of radicals/nationalists is not much more comparing to any average another‌ country.
Just a balloon inflated by journalists.

 

[JackAlabama]

War is great for exporting inflation out of the usd into target regions.

I don't‌ comment on the internal politics as I do not know enough about these two places‍ to make statements.

 

[kkein]

Some claim USD will be used less⁠ now as storage since they (china) are afraid that potential sanctions will cut them out⁤ of their funds. And this will inflate the dollar as it will fall and will⁣ require more printing.
Seems like a sound theory.

 

[Golden Fleece]

It is beyond doubt that Ukraine is one of the most corrupt nations on the‌ planet -- and the Biden family was a big part of that corruption. Believe me,‍ my eyes are wide open regarding these issues. My problem with the position of many⁠ forum members is that none of this excuses an invasion by an equally corrupt Russian⁤ nation.

Here are two good article about how Ukraine corruption intertwined with U.S. politics:

https://www.steynonline.com/12187/war-in-europe-day-five
https://mate.substack.com/p/by-using-ukraine-to-fight-russia?s=r

 

[jakubko666]

Zelensky is now hidding on US embassy in Poland where he reads all the notes.‌

 

[John Spectre]

U saw him personally? If no - don't spread false‍ information.
As a president his protection is one of main priorities, for sure. And he⁠ is in safe place.

Why u don't mention that putin is hiding in underground town/bunker⁤ in ural for almost 2 years?

 

[KDX]

I get that many people here hate the west and EU etc. Trust me, I‌ do too. But we can't seriously be spreading Russian propaganda just because we don't like‍ the US. Please back up some of your points and don't make it seem like⁠ you are justifying the horrendous actions by Russia!

 

[Martin Everson]

I just wish the media could stop radicalizing people 🙄. The media has very few‌ facts in this conflict as is the case in most conflicts initially. The media are‍ all reporting a one sided story of events without being impartial. They are coloring the⁠ landscape with very few facts, mostly hearsay and unverified video snippets. The effect this is⁤ having on people who are not mentally capable of objectivity is they are getting radicalized.⁣ Politicians like UK's Foreign secretary Liz Truss welcoming their citizens to get militarily involved is⁢ insanity. Would she welcome Brits going to fight in Yemen against Gulf States aggression?

Now look at these poor brainwashed guys 🙁:







They need to instead listen to people like︀ UK Chief of Defense.

https://www.aol.com/unlawful-unhelpful-britons-fight-ukraine-114212479.html

 

[KDX]

I agree, while a︂ nice gesture, people with no military experience are going in just to complicate things. A︃ random guy who comes in with nothing has to be escorted by the military putting︄ others in danger and then being a liability in the battlefield is stupid.

 

[EuroKiss]

In Putin’s words: the Americans have “started sawing the branch⁤ on which they sit.”

 

[Golden Fleece]

As KDX already said in post #10, if you do not‍ support your claims with a source, then your post is useless.

 

[Martin Everson]

A lot of non-aligned countries have some deep long term⁤ thinking to do about their dependency on USD going forward in light of what happened⁣ to Russia ns2....especially China.

 

[Golden Fleece]

No one should be surprised. How do you think that⁠ the U.S. forced Switzerland to give up over 100 years of financial privacy? It was⁤ the combination of criminality by UBS and Credit Suisse, followed by the implicit threat of⁣ removal from SWIFT -- if no Swiss transparency. Switzerland did not go easily into a⁢ new paradigm.

An offensive war is far worse than criminal banking.

 

[Martin Everson]

Sadly Credit Suisse may not have learned its lesson here 😕. Trying to convince CS to do clean business is like telling a straight man to⁣ become gay.

https://www.offshorecorptalk.com/th...gainst-credit-suisse-russian-oligarchs.36698/

 

[JackAlabama]

Compared to USA banks they are kindergarden just that USA⁠ banks do not get dragged thru the mud 😉

 

[pipona]

https://contra.substack.com/p/world-war-reddit?s=r

 

[John Spectre]

Such low quality stories.
Sure fakes creates on both‌ sides, but for those who don't believe in terrible situation, i could propose to see‍ for example telegram channel like this
https://t.me/ChernihivOperative
It's a channel from ONLY one town in⁠ Ukraine.
It describe situation in one town: air raid alerts, humanitarian situation in town, city⁤ damages and other info related and important to town itself, that people who live in⁣ town used to know situation.

Every single town in Ukraine have similar channels now(kharkiv, sumy,⁢ kyiv, etc) who replenished by terrible pictures every day.
Its a most real time information,︀ instead of some journalist who even don't bother to get actual pictures from war and︁ used few years old pictures from another conflicts.

You don't believe in war in Ukraine︂ and continue to post joke collages? Watch on this.