Proton is moving out of Switzerland (to the EU)

[NewHorizonsParaguay]

FYI: Lumo is the new AI by Proton.

 

[JohnnyDoe]

out of the frying pan into the fire.
Remember this: https://johnnydoe.is/threads/proton-btc-wallet.39772/post-309907

 

[NewHorizonsParaguay]

A strategic move to build EU-AI supremacy = waste taxpayers' money.
Proton will likely make a lot of money on this. But it loses its marketing tool. Privacy-loving Switzerland.

 

[CEO]

Self hosted, third-party audit is a good approach to protect our privacy.

 

[marioIT]

this is crazy, Switzerland is really taking off its mask now.
I would like a thread to understand what's left as decent jurisdiction for privacy. I have servers in switzerland, but by the look of it I will move them offshore soon if there are safer places around. I'm not doing anything illegal, but don't really like what i am seeing lately there. 😕

 

[JohnnyDoe]

this is crazy, Switzerland is really taking off its mask now.

I’ve been saying it for years, and the brainwashed sheep laughed.
Switzerland is only good for skiing and for milk.

The myth of Swiss banking secrecy is exactly that: a myth. The moment you have something real to protect, Switzerland folds faster than a cheap lawn chair. Behind the fake polished neutrality and alpine charm lies a jurisdiction fully aligned with global surveillance and information exchange.
They’ll hand over your data in a heartbeat if it suits their interests or protects their reputation. The days of untouchable Swiss vaults are long gone. Wake up. Privacy there is just a brand, not a shield.

I would like a thread to understand what's left as decent jurisdiction for privacy.

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I have servers in switzerland, but by the look of it I will move them offshore soon if there are safer places around. I'm not doing anything illegal, but don't really like what i am seeing lately there. 😕

Do it quickly. You will also save money, as you are certainly been scammed (like for everything else in Snitchzerland)

 

[marioIT]

some more details here

Switzerland plans surveillance worse than US | Tuta

Revision of Swiss surveillance law VÜPF would directly target VPN & encrypted chat and email providers based in Switzerland.

tuta.com

What is more, the law is not introduced by or via the Parliament, but instead the Swiss government, the Federal Council and the Federal Department of Justice and Police (FDJP), want to massively expand internet surveillance by updating the VÜPF - without Parliament having a say.
This comes as a shock in a country proud of its direct democracy with regular people’s decisions on all kinds of laws.
However, in 2016 the Swiss actually voted for more surveillance, so direct democracy might not help here

In the future, it would hardly be possible to use a chat app, for example, without directly or indirectly providing an official ID. The revision represents a frontal attack on our fundamental rights, the rule of law and the possibility of secure and protected communication.”