Is the Swiss Foundation the Hidden Asset Protection Tool Everyone's Overlooking?

[uplana]

From the research I've done, it seems like a Swiss foundation is exactly the tool many have been looking for, especially here on OCT. It can protect assets such as houses, cars, cash, investments, etc.

A Swiss foundation is an independent entity, it is 100% anonymous, and it protects its assets from any authority under Swiss law.

There is no minimum capital requirement, and the board can consist of just one person.

If it's a private family foundation, it shouldn't be difficult to establish one. And if the purpose is to pay out a reasonable salary to a single person in the family, then other authorities can't really do anything about it either.

Is this a completely overlooked method that no one knows about, or is it a secret that all the gurus here on OCT just don't want to talk about?

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A simple diagram illustrating a Swiss foundation owning a Swiss AG (operating company). The foundation is the parent entity that holds ownership of the Swiss AG, which functions as the operational business.

Separation of ownership: The foundation owns the assets, not individuals, creating a legal barrier

When the foundation owns the operating company, there is no actual owner of the company other than the foundation itself, which is protected by Switzerland's stringent privacy laws. As long as no illegal activity takes place, it is nearly impossible for the assets to be frozen or otherwise subjected to intervention.

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[clemens]

You give up control of the assets when transferred to the foundation, may be problematically.

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[wellington]

Goverments just seize using

Unusual wealth orders
Forfeiture in rem

These days and the onus is then to dispute on the owner

Hence Tates cars being taken even though they don't legally own them

Ie these systems only work if living outside of the West and usually speaking outside of the West you don't need them

 

[JohnnyDoe]

It takes 5 minutes for the most junior Swiss prosecutor to issue a worldwide freezing order and leave it to you to challenge it. Switzerland is a just another clown country with prosecutors playing prima donna; stay away from it, it's not safe.

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[wellington]

We live in the era of bearer assets

That's Bitcoin and gold / silver / platinum etc

Not fancy cars, homes, jewelry, art etc

All of those paint a target

Further to that - you need to be willing to be tortured, killed, imprisoned but in the knowledge your family can move forward with those bearer assets

If it hasn't become abundantly clear already then to be direct we are equivalent of the early Bolshevik era but this version of communism is top down not bottom up meaning the checks and balances to stop its progress are powerless as the enforcement is already in control

Since 2008 they have consistently stolen via a stealth tax 8% pa via coin clipping but that enriched nominally those that had assets and now they will direct their attention towards them

The currency of tomorrow is essentially passports or residence rights elsewhere and being able to actually utilize ahead of time opposed to being restricted when you need to use them.

A rat can only flee if the trap isn't already set, and we are all rats in a system with the traps being set continuously around us.

The aim is to outlive the current system and that is bearer based and flight.

Communism always fails but it's a lengthy process and painful in the interim

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[mraleph]

Not interested for religious war. Though, interested for quality discussion. This is a restricted part of the forum, so a bit more transparency is possible.

As @jafo say, a friend of mine and his frends are using described structure, both with a foundation from Liechenstein and Switzerland.

What Proton's UBOs did

Post in thread 'Proton VPN for privacy, read this and let's discuss!'
Proton VPN for privacy, read this and let's discuss!

was to structure a control vehicle mimicking the bearer shares they had in mentioned, now defunct entities. We live in imperfect world - so it's a legitimate course of action.

clemens said:
You give up control of the assets when transferred to the foundation, may be problematically.
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Why would it be? It's a legal entity while a trust isn't as it's a fiduciry relationship.

Family wealth management thru foundation is legitimate.

JohnnyDoe said:
It takes 5 minutes for the most junior Swiss prosecutor to issue a worldwide freezing order and leave it to you to challenge it. Switzerland is a just another clown country with prosecutors playing prima donna; stay away from it, it's not safe.
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uplana said:
As long as no illegal activity takes place, it is nearly impossible for the assets to be frozen or otherwise subjected to intervention.
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Foundation may be a shareholder in holding company that can control operating companies in different jurisdictions. It would be utterly more safe then structuring trusts in usual jurisdictions. They may. The question is - will they. Let's assume that the income from Global North countries is perfectly legal. The income from less regulated entities and jurisdictions or sanctioned jurisdictions should be channeled thru ephemeral SPVs. Transfering profits from Russian, Venezuelan or other perky countries thru businesses in Turkey, Mongolia, China isn't possible? It may be expensive due to applied tax model. But, it's a cost of doing business. And, it's legal.

wellington said:
We live in the era of bearer assets

That's Bitcoin and gold / silver / platinum etc

Not fancy cars, homes, jewelry, art etc

All of those paint a target

Further to that - you need to be willing to be tortured, killed, imprisoned but in the knowledge your family can move forward with those bearer assets

If it hasn't become abundantly clear already then to be direct we are equivalent of the early Bolshevik era but this version of communism is top down not bottom up meaning the checks and balances to stop its progress are powerless as the enforcement is already in control

Since 2008 they have consistently stolen via a stealth tax 8% pa via coin clipping but that enriched nominally those that had assets and now they will direct their attention towards them

The currency of tomorrow is essentially passports or residence rights elsewhere and being able to actually utilize ahead of time opposed to being restricted when you need to use them.

A rat can only flee if the trap isn't already set, and we are all rats in a system with the traps being set continuously around us.

The aim is to outlive the current system and that is bearer based and flight.

Communism always fails but it's a lengthy process and painful in the interim
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I agree with majority of your statements but not conclusions.

It is my belief that OCT participants with MGG membership are quite different then average people and capable to create and manage the wealth with knowledge of the intricacies. Though, sometimes they percive things in a more negative way then it really is.

I've read Das Kapital by Marx, but I don't believe that Communism will ever come. UBI, UBHI and UBSI is a necessity for the members of society that can't create wealth due to technological changes and deprecation of their skills and knowledge. I support those necessities as the other options are grim and always preclude a social collapse with domino effect. That's bad for business.

 

[fighthorse]

uplana said:
From the research I've done, it seems like a Swiss foundation is exactly the tool many have been looking for, especially here on OCT. It can protect assets such as houses, cars, cash, investments, etc.

A Swiss foundation is an independent entity, it is 100% anonymous, and it protects its assets from any authority under Swiss law.

There is no minimum capital requirement, and the board can consist of just one person.

If it's a private family foundation, it shouldn't be difficult to establish one. And if the purpose is to pay out a reasonable salary to a single person in the family, then other authorities can't really do anything about it either.

Is this a completely overlooked method that no one knows about, or is it a secret that all the gurus here on OCT just don't want to talk about?

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A simple diagram illustrating a Swiss foundation owning a Swiss AG (operating company). The foundation is the parent entity that holds ownership of the Swiss AG, which functions as the operational business.

Separation of ownership: The foundation owns the assets, not individuals, creating a legal barrier

When the foundation owns the operating company, there is no actual owner of the company other than the foundation itself, which is protected by Switzerland's stringent privacy laws. As long as no illegal activity takes place, it is nearly impossible for the assets to be frozen or otherwise subjected to intervention.
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This might be the solution to the problem I mentioned in another thread. Thanks, man! You just saved me three weeks of research on this opportunity

 

[uplana]

fighthorse said:
This might be the solution to the problem I mentioned in another thread. Thanks, man! You just saved me three weeks of research on this opportunity
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I'm not sure if it's the completely optimal plan, but at least it's something that can be investigated by a tax lawyer in the country you're planning to move to, to see to what extent it holds up.

Personally, I think it sounds like an extra layer of security, as long as the money is legal and you have it reviewed by a lawyer, which I intend to do.

wellington said:
It's already happening - we specifically position against it because it's already happening”¦. I don't need to write a book, they write us a cheque for every % of theft they do against you and others as residents or citizens - sorry to be so blunt but that's the facts, the annualised debasement of 8% doesn't cover the nominal price increase of your assets, you are not getting wealthier annually but poorer, at the same time, those facilities/services you speak about are in rapid decline, and culturally the countries of Europe are being suffocated.

As for Thailand it's a home, so is Europe so its sad to see but being outside allows one to see whereas being within you merely are a boiling frog.
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fighthorse said:
Are you doing it this way where you live?
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JohnnyDoe said:
Yes, save for the skyscraper.
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wellington said:
In asia i have 25kw solar, satellite bb, fibreoptic bb, own house farm (greens etc) 60m bore well, 25m well, 30m well.
Annual property tax 15$
Annual bins etc (poll equivalent) 5$

Income tax well discussed on here

Gov interfering and trying to push agendas 0
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wellington said:
The current things don't entail a collapse per se (nominally) think of it as a 8% annualised tax on starving a collapse off, thing is that exponentially grows alongside the exponential growth of the debt.

So around now, this year, its about 12% (this is monetary inflation that impacts asset prices at certain scales), inflation (variable) isn't so impacted (affects variable goods/services).

So as long as people are happy with their heads in the sand, feeling wealthier because they have more zeros, and content with the debt enslavement process until either of the three happen and catch them off-guard, and by then its too late for various reasons

1) World War - they die
2) Financial Collapse (08 looks like a picnic) - their material wealth becomes valueless - leads to 1 or 3 then 1
3) Productivity Miracle - they are obsolete due to Robotics/ai doing their role for less and with higher output -> leads to 1 or 2 then 1 from 2.


Productivity chart of the US started declining then, hit in 2000, world debt jubilee in 08, and now just trying to refinance it all like CC to CC praying for a miracle.
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wellington said:
*Some bearer assets types in 2024

https://www.libertymundo.com/index.php/2022/07/02/bearer-instruments/
NFT's are an interesting one, i know quite a few people NW+100m$ buying specific NFT's with no intent to liquidate or speculate on, just as a long-term value hold (i don't mean monkeys or rocks).
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Can we stick to topic. There is a lot of noise here, it is what I wanted to avoid and why I posted it in the Mentor Group.

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[mraleph]

uplana said:
I'm not sure if it's the completely optimal plan, but at least it's something that can be investigated by a tax lawyer in the country you're planning to move to, to see to what extent it holds up.

Personally, I think it sounds like an extra layer of security, as long as the money is legal and you have it reviewed by a lawyer, which I intend to do.







Can we stick to topic. There is a lot of noise here, it is what I wanted to avoid and why I posted it in the Mentor Group.
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I second to this. Quite curious what MGG members have to say about the setup considering that I have a friends and they have their friends with such setup.

 

[mraleph]

koohl said:
Alright, I've got a question that's been bugging me so much I feel like my head's about to explode! How is this whole geopolitical debate ever going to lead to a conclusion about a Swiss Foundation? Do you have anything to add on that? Can what OP is asking actually be done or not? That's really the question here!

You're throwing out arguments about all sorts of things that don't even relate to what's being asked. No offense, but that belongs in another thread, where I'm sure we could have a long, interesting discussion.
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This is actually a good starter

Thread 'trust/foundation setup'
https://www.offshorecorptalk.com/threads/trust-foundation-setup.39959/

But, yes, a LI and CH foundation and holding company beneath it is a thread topic.

 

[mraleph]

wellington said:
They are all related, the Swiss Foundation is obsolete for the following reasons.

Unexplained Wealth Orders (Hidden UBO)
World Wide Asset Freeze Orders (Hidden UBO)

And Geopolitics plays firmly into this, Especially with the alignment politically with the EU, and monetarily with the US.


It's a overpriced sticker saying come and grab the assets.
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Hidden UBO with family foundation 🙄

C'mon, you're saying that we're all doomed and should relocate to Global South 'cause the Global North will colapse.

 

[koohl]

Let's hope that if OP proceeds with his plans, he doesn't end up having his entire fortune and assets confiscated. That would certainly prove your arguments, but it wouldn't be good for OP. I'll definitely be following the discussion closely in the future. This thread is officially on my WATCH list!

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[JohnLocke]

JohnnyDoe said:
Those that are too lazy, weak, and/or broke.
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please put some names on it.. this is a mentor group thread.. I will clean it if we can't get some serious discussion here.

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[JohnLocke]

I've cleaned up the thread since it completely drifted away from what OP originally asked. The focus here is supposed to be on the Swiss Foundation, not all these other (admittedly interesting) topics that have no relevance to the question.

Cleaning up a thread like this takes time, so please try not to let it happen again, especially in a mentor group thread.

I've tried to say this nicely, but it's been ignored. I really don't want to start handing out infractions or muting people - what you're discussing is relevant, just not for this thread. Let's keep things on track!

Here is the new thread
https://www.offshorecorptalk.com/th...-comes-to-protecting-wealth-and-assets.46084/

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[fighthorse]

I am currently working with a lawyer in Switzerland on this kind of setup. From our discussions and the information I've received, it's not as secure a solution as you might expect, OP. The setup I'm discussing costs around 17K CHF with the lawyer, and the final cost depends on the level of activity involved.

For now, I am continuing to work on the idea and will provide updates here

 

[mraleph]

fighthorse said:
I am currently working with a lawyer in Switzerland on this kind of setup. From our discussions and the information I've received, it's not as secure a solution as you might expect, OP. The setup I'm discussing costs around 17K CHF with the lawyer, and the final cost depends on the level of activity involved.

For now, I am continuing to work on the idea and will provide updates here
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Can you elaborate what costs 17.000,00 SFr?

Attorney's fee for draft of the foundation deed, its notarization and registration fee shouldn't exceed 5.000,00 SFr.

Swiss foundation has a mandatory capital requirement of 50.000,00 SFr while Liechenstein's one has 30.000,00 SFr.

Foundation's board membership fees are arround 20.000,00 SFr pa per person without social contributions.

I'm not certain that your case described in another thread

Thread 'Stuck Between a Rock and a Hard Place: Navigating Life with a Crushing Tax Debt in My Home Country'
https://www.offshorecorptalk.com/th...a-crushing-tax-debt-in-my-home-country.45938/

qualifies for this structure as the cost is prohibitive and not the purpose.

Swiss structures aren't meant to be cheap and readily available for anybody.

 

[brianK]

fighthorse said:
I am currently working with a lawyer in Switzerland on this kind of setup. From our discussions and the information I've received, it's not as secure a solution as you might expect, OP. The setup I'm discussing costs around 17K CHF with the lawyer, and the final cost depends on the level of activity involved.

For now, I am continuing to work on the idea and will provide updates here
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Is it still a foundation you are working on or something else?

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[OKboomer]

uplana said:
From the research I've done, it seems like a Swiss foundation is exactly the tool many have been looking for, especially here on OCT. It can protect assets such as houses, cars, cash, investments, etc.

A Swiss foundation is an independent entity, it is 100% anonymous, and it protects its assets from any authority under Swiss law.
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They anyway consider Founder as UBO when it comes to ownership of bank accounts or real estates. So I don't see it as either anonymous or asset protecting.

 

[sebastian]

OKboomer said:
They anyway consider Founder as UBO when it comes to ownership of bank accounts or real estates. So I don't see it as either anonymous or asset protecting.
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that is a very wrong understanding of all of it in this setup. The whole point is that you have no real owner and for that reason if you can open an account for the foundation you won't be anywhere!

 

[OKboomer]

sebastian said:
that is a very wrong understanding of all of it in this setup. The whole point is that you have no real owner and for that reason if you can open an account for the foundation you won't be anywhere!
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I understand the setup. The problem is when you open say a bank account, they will ask for the UBO and will insist it's the founder.