ATH was around Aug 6, 2020: ~ 1750 eur / 2075 usdaage said:
I just took a check on the gold price. It's up to 1655 euros, per Oz, it's the highest I've seen.
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yeah bitcoin did much better the last 10 years compared to Gold. But at least Gold will not disappear over night 🙂JohnnyDoe said:
$1860ish per oz. 10 years performance: zero %.
Compare with bitcoin's 10 years performance
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And it will not be banned by China for 5 or 6 times LOLaage said:
yeah bitcoin did much better the last 10 years compared to Gold. But at least Gold will not disappear over night 🙂
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You cannot compare insurance with a speculation. They have completely different purposes and risk profiles.JohnnyDoe said:
$1860ish per oz. 10 years performance: zero %.
Compare with bitcoin's 10 years performance
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An insurance never loses its value. Gold can and does it all the times. If you are so sure about what you say, just sell gold puts.Golden Fleece said:
You cannot compare insurance with a speculation. They have completely different purposes and risk profiles.
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Gold doesn't lose value, the currencies it's priced in fluctuate. An ounce of gold will always be an ounce of gold for all eternity, a bitcoin or nft on the other hand...JohnnyDoe said:
An insurance never loses its value. Gold can and does it all the times. If you are so sure about what you say, just sell gold puts.
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Gold is a hedge for deteriorating trust in government and (the financial system). If you have gold exposure and hold it as an insurance, it makes little to no sense having paper claims against financial institutions in such a scenario.JohnnyDoe said:
An insurance never loses its value. Gold can and does it all the times. If you are so sure about what you say, just sell gold puts.
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Decent probability for that scenario. I would assume first enough people have to be lured in though, so we can party like it is 1999.369 said:
I bet everything that golds performence at the end of next 4 years will be WAY better than bitcoins
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It's easy to short bitcoin! Do it and let's talk again in 4 years.369 said:
I bet everything that golds performence at the end of next 4 years will be WAY better than bitcoins
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You have completly no understanding about gold and its future role.JohnnyDoe said:
It's easy to short bitcoin! Do it and let's talk again in 4 years.
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Go ahead, short bitcoin. It's at $44k today, let's talk again in 4 years.369 said:
You have completly no understanding about gold and its future role.
Bitcoin is a trojan which is going to ZERO when gold will shine.......
Mark my words
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I just opened youtube and saw this 5h old video clip with the fear creating moron Friedrich.JohnnyDoe said:
Go ahead, short bitcoin. It's at $44k today, let's talk again in 4 years.
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369 said:
I just opened youtube and saw this 5h old video clip with the fear creating moron Friedrich.
And even that moron still doesn't get it that majority of coins are being hold by JPM which can tank bitcoins price any time they wish.
a 51% attack would be also easy double.......hell only the old miners in china had all time the chance to make a 51% attack.
All i see here are technical uneducated people with no background knowledge repeating the garbage they read on crypto pages
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That's true. It is also true that one gram of salt will always be one gram of salt, or one unit of sand will always be one unit of sand:
True.
Precious metals as an asset class are not to be confused with an insurance. They do not even work as a hedge.
What a bunch of nonsense.Bagpacker said:
That's true. It is also true that one gram of salt will always be one gram of salt, or one unit of sand will always be one unit of sand:
- What happens if suddenly there is gold in abundance (new discoveries on Planet Earth or Space Mining)?
- What if people suddenly find out that it is nonsense to first look for something underground to then store it safely, away from eyes of others (gold has no significant industrial usage case)?
- .... and endless more negative cases.
True.
Nevertheless, gold is pure speculation. It can go up or down by 50% and more in a relatively short period of time which makes it a speculative assets.
Try to get a loan against gold: Your bank will do that with ease but it will charge you higher interest rate as if you would loan against your blue chip Nestlé stocks.
That said: Gold is considered to be a relatively high risk asset due to its price fluctuations.
Precious metals as an asset class are not to be confused with an insurance. They do not even work as a hedge.
Look up what Platinum, Palladium, Rhodium and Silver did during the many crisis situations we had just in the last 25 years: They all tanked with just the smallest sign of crisis on the horizon (and more often than not even without a crisis)! Completely useless as an insurance.
Gold is better in this regard but it is still far away from being an insurance: As long as an object fluctuates and does not simultaneously adjust with inflation/devaluation of competing fiat it can not be considered an insurance. An insurance is something which works immediately when a worst case scenario happens - gold does not do that.
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Time will tell. In 4 years we will check again this thread and see how your short position on bitcoin (if you have the guts to put your money where your mouth is) is performing and how much money you are making on gold.369 said:
What a bunch of nonsense.
Clearly posted by someone who has completly no understanding of the monetary system
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Well you are confusing 2 different scenarios here. You are talking about precious metals and their performance in a working financial system and trust in government. If we have margin calls due to lack of liquidity, metals (mainly paper claims on it) will be sold off. Nothing will soften your $ denominated portfolio blow other than future short hedges in stocks, commodities, precious metals and VIX, USD & JPY longs.Bagpacker said:
Precious metals as an asset class are not to be confused with an insurance. They do not even work as a hedge.
Look up what Platinum, Palladium, Rhodium and Silver did during the many crisis situations we had just in the last 25 years: They all tanked with just the smallest sign of crisis on the horizon (and more often than not even without a crisis)! Completely useless as an insurance.
Gold is better in this regard but it is still far away from being an insurance: As long as an object fluctuates and does not simultaneously adjust with inflation/devaluation of competing fiat it can not be considered an insurance. An insurance is something which works immediately when a worst case scenario happens - gold does not do that.
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