It is it managed from outside Malta and outside the US, you need to know where it is managed from and check if it would trigger any PE there. If they won't care or otherwise not an issue. You can get "dividends" in Malta from your US LLC. You would only pay what they charge you in Malta. I think @disagree is considering the same to enjoy flat taxes at 5k EUR per year.vs90 said:
Has someone ever looked into a US LLC as a passthrough entity + Malta non-dom resident?
Let's assume that 1) the US LLC is effectively managed by someone else in another non-US and non-Maltese country, so it does not trigger US or Malta tax residency, and 2) the person can sustain their annual expenses with remitted foreign capital gains from capital they had before entering Malta.
If the US LCC profits are sent to a non-Maltese bank account, could the Malta taxation be only the annual 5k?
Could the above work if the US LLC also has income from US clients?
This would be much simpler and cheaper than having a Malta trading + Cyprus/Estonia holding that provides foreign non-remitted dividends to a UBO that is still a Maltese resident.
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it's the super-duper-widely popular solutions for Malta non-dom residents. Basically Malta doesn't enforce PE at all. Plus, they treat LLCs as opaque entities.daniels27 said:
It is it managed from outside Malta and outside the US, you need to know where it is managed from and check if it would trigger any PE there. If they won't care or otherwise not an issue. You can get "dividends" in Malta from your US LLC. You would only pay what they charge you in Malta. I think @disagree is considering the same to enjoy flat taxes at 5k EUR per year.
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Capital gains are never taxed in Malta, also if remitted. They're not considered the same way as revenue.vs90 said:
I got it, it makes sense. Such a setup could be sensible if someone lives with foreign capital gains, which are then remitted tax-free (except the annual 5k.)
To make this compliant the LLC would have to be managed by someone else and not in Malta, although Malta would probably not care too much.
Do you know how people in this setup deal with bank accounts, transferring money from USD to EUR, etc.?
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Because you'll have to pay for living expenses. If they are foreign capital gains, they'll be tax free. But as far as I know you still have to pay the 5k minimum tax.disagree said:
Capital gains are never taxed in Malta, also if remitted. They're not considered the same way as revenue.
At the same time I can't see why you should remit that.
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disagree said:
With a couple foreign bank accounts and fintech solutions, you're ok. Consider that thanks to the agility of this setup, let's say you have both Wise Business (LLC) and Wise personal (Malta), it's just matter of seconds and you can move money into your personal one and spend, or move somewhere else without remitting.
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In that case you should pay the 5K, but based on money you use for big living expenses like rent, not for capital gains even if remitted.vs90 said:
Because you'll have to pay for living expenses. If they are foreign capital gains, they'll be tax free. But as far as I know you still have to pay the 5k minimum tax.
Makes sense!
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I have been speaking with a few providers for the following setup:
- Malta Trading Co + Foreign Holding Co set up as a fiscal unit to achieve the 5% corporate tax
- The idea is that I won't remit into Malta the foreign dividend because I can cover the cost of living with remitted foreign capital gains
- I am also thinking to pay a small salary as the Maltese MD up to the 5k tax I'd have to pay anyway (plus the associated social contributions)
One of these providers has mentioned two things:
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- Estonia is better than Cyprus because:
- Bank account opening in Malta with a Cyprus Holding and a Maltese non-dom resident as UBO is hard. Did anyone experience the same?
- Estonia is cheaper and more efficient (this I know to be true)
- It's not recommended to form a fiscal unit in the first year. That's because this would require consolidated statements, which will make it clear to the Maltese authorities that the UBO is a Maltese non-dom resident who is also the MD of the Maltese trading company. Are they right?
Yes, why not, and get public health insurance this way.vs90 said:
Additionally:
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- Is it a good idea to receive a small salary as the Maltese MD? I don't need it for cash flows, I could just bring in more foreign capital gains. But I thought it could be good to show substance in Malta and that I pay social contributions somewhere?
Business transactions are based on mutually agreed terms, not moral fairness.vs90 said:
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- What is a fair price for Year 1 and ongoing for both entities? The trading has about 5-10 incoming invoices and 5-10 outgoing invoices every month, whereas the holding would only deal with the annual dividends and in the future maybe some other investments
There's no specific request for the 5% (also it's a 5% only If you plan to earn 100k, otherwise it's just a 5k one shot fee).JustAnotherNomad said:
I would work with a lawyer/service provider, apparently you have to get your application right to get the 5%.
Seems like different service providers prefer different countries for the holding company.
I would NOT go with Estonia, they will tax you if you sell your company. But there are more than enough other options. I would go with whatever the service provider/lawyer you choose recommends.
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There's no specific request for the 5% (also it's a 5% only If you plan to earn 100k, otherwise it's just a 5k one shot fee).
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I would NOT go with Estonia, they will tax you if you sell your company. But there are more than enough other options. I would go with whatever the service provider/lawyer you choose recommends.
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Of course you can. But how much tax do you want to pay in Italy?vs90 said:
Thanks for the advice. I am thinking about whether it makes sense to have the holding in Italy, where my brother could be MD and ensure substance. I can put other investments in companies under it, so perhaps it would make a stronger case.
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vs90 said:
I think we're talking about different things? I am referring to the 5% corporate tax, which the company has to pay if there is a fiscal unit.
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