Question on Asset Transfers across multiple citizenships

[wellington]

I never really considered this before but imagine a scenario where.

1) Citizenship of say Bahamas transfers to self as Citizenship of UK.

Whats the taxation criteria there as its essentially self-transfer, and even in the scenario where you 'gift' to another dependent on facts/circumstances it can be gifted freely, i.e curious how states see this for asset(s).

 

[daniels27]

Asset transfers to yourself aren't transfers in the proper sense. Hence, nobody will tax it. How can they? If you are British, for the eyes of UK you are only British. (I.e. back in the EU days, if you were British and Danish, you could apply for an EEA family permit in the UK for free, you had to go through the more expensive UK family visa. Unless you never told the British that you were also British and they had no record of it.)

If you are gifting/inheriting to other people, it most often depends on the place of residence, previous residence and in some case place of assets (like real estate or the recently discussed US stocks).

 

[wellington]

daniels27 said:
Asset transfers to yourself aren't transfers in the proper sense.
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They would surely be treated as such if from a citizenship (dual purpose transfer) i.e from Bahaman ID to British ID.

 

[daniels27]

wellington said:
They would surely be treated as such if from a citizenship (dual purpose transfer) i.e from Bahaman ID to British ID.
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You mean if you have a Bahamas bank account on your Bahamas ID and a UK bank account on your British ID?

 

[wellington]

Sure, property, etc also.

 

[daniels27]

Ok, then I am not sure if I understand correctly.

But I think there generally are no tax implications. If there were, those implications would also imperatively apply for any renunification of citizenship. However, as far as I know such taxation does not exist, apart from limited cases involving US where you are simultaneously exiting taxation if living abroad.

 

[myshufflemix]

wellington said:
I never really considered this before but imagine a scenario where.

1) Citizenship of say Bahamas transfers to self as Citizenship of UK.

Whats the taxation criteria there as its essentially self-transfer, and even in the scenario where you 'gift' to another dependent on facts/circumstances it can be gifted freely, i.e curious how states see this for asset(s).
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Why would you want to do that ? Are you considering go back to the UK ?

 

[wellington]

myshufflemix said:
Why would you want to do that ? Are you considering go back to the UK ?
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No, this is a generalisation.

 

[myshufflemix]

wellington said:
No, this is a generalisation.
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Okay, now I understand, wondered why you would more back. Could not imagine that you would do it.

 

[wellington]

myshufflemix said:
Okay, now I understand, wondered why you would more back. Could not imagine that you would do it.
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Zero chance i move to the UK.

 

[mud]

Depends on your tax residency. As an Australian for instance there is a defacto exit tax where your assets are considered to be disposed of as you leave the country's tax system. Which means if there is a nominal gain then you owe Capital Gains Tax to the tax office.

 

[myshufflemix]

How does wealth tax work? Are there lower thresholds where you don't have to pay tax in countries where such a tax is implemented? There are even EU countries that don't have a wealth tax or an exit tax, as far as I understand.

 

[daniels27]

myshufflemix said:
How does wealth tax work? Are there lower thresholds where you don't have to pay tax in countries where such a tax is implemented? There are even EU countries that don't have a wealth tax or an exit tax, as far as I understand.
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Most countries do not have wealth tax. Switzerland for example has it. You have 77,000 CHF free after that you pay in Zürich:
https://neho.ch/de/blog/vermogenssteuer-zurich

Exit tax for natural persons is basically just taxing capital gains. Hence it only applies to counties with capital gains tax, which Switzerland in turn suits not have (at least not directly, you just pay wealth tax and I hope you invest it wisely so you pay less than capital gains tax would be).

 

[bountymounty]

daniels27 said:
Most countries do not have wealth tax. Switzerland for example has it. You have 77,000 CHF free after that you pay in Zürich:
https://neho.ch/de/blog/vermogenssteuer-zurich
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some cantons have up to 100,000 CHF and up to 120,000 CHF which helps the middle class. But that's a different discussion.

myshufflemix said:
There are even EU countries that don't have a wealth tax or an exit tax, as far as I understand.
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exit tax is something else.