Is software development as a contractor for another company a relevant activity in the scope of ES requirements? Also what substance is needed if so?
If the other company connected to you? Like same owner or your brother?agentsriba said:
Is software development as a contractor for another company a relevant activity in the scope of ES requirements? Also what substance is needed if so?
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What is 'Distribution and Service Center Business'?
'Distribution and service center business' in the Economic Substance Act is defined to mean the business of either or both of the following:
(a) purchasing from foreign affiliates;
(i) component parts or materials for goods; or
(ii) goods ready for sale; and
(iii) reselling such component parts, materials or goods;
(b) providing services to foreign affiliates in connection with the business, but does not include any activity included in any other relevant activity except holding business.
'Affiliate' is defined in section 2 of the Economic Substance Act as having the same meaning as an 'affiliated company' specified in regulation 2(2) of the BVI Business Companies Regulations, 2012, which in turn provides (at Regulation 2(2)) that a company is affiliated with another company if it is in the same group as the other company. In addition, references to a company include references to a limited partnership, and other expressions appropriate to companies are construed as including references to the corresponding persons, documents or organs, as the case may be, appropriate to limited partnerships.
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The other company is not connected to me as in family member. I am doing legit software development for a person that I was introduced with, so our relationship is purely business.daniels27 said:
If the other company connected to you? Like same owner or your brother?
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Seems like you are knowledgeable. The payment will be possibly done using cryptocurrencies, will the company need a special license to be be able to trade them on behalf of the company?daniels27 said:
If the other company connected to you? Like same owner or your brother?
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Ok then no worries about ES.agentsriba said:
The other company is not connected to me as in family member. I am doing legit software development for a person that I was introduced with, so our relationship is purely business.
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You mean your company's client pays your company in crypto? You won't need a license for that. But the client may need some compliance depending on his jurisdiction, so that the expenses are tax deductible.agentsriba said:
Seems like you are knowledgeable. The payment will be possibly done using cryptocurrencies, will the company need a special license to be be able to trade them on behalf of the company?
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If it's a solo business, then the substance requirements depend on the owner's place of management. If he lives in Thailand managing BVI - then no problems. If he lives in EU managing BVI - he needs an employee (or maybe even two) in BVI.agentsriba said:
The other company is not connected to me as in family member. I am doing legit software development for a person that I was introduced with
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Which country do you actually live?agentsriba said:
Does director services solve this issue, as in company being managed and directed in BVI?
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Only if he is not a nominee, but an actual salaried employee.agentsriba said:
Does director services solve this issue, as in company being managed and directed in BVI?
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Can I DM you somehow?
inector said:
Only if he is not a nominee, but an actual salaried employee.
He can be employed in other companies at the same time (multiple jobs), but it's necessary that he gets social benefits, etc.
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Only if he is not a nominee, but an actual salaried employee.
He can be employed in other companies at the same time (multiple jobs), but it's necessary that he gets social benefits, et
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So does BVI care about him being a nominee, or my country?inector said:
Only if he is not a nominee, but an actual salaried employee.
He can be employed in other companies at the same time (multiple jobs), but it's necessary that he gets social benefits, etc.
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Owner's / employee's country, whichever you can justify as place of management.
I sent you a message.
BVI has no issues. The problem @inector is mentioning is that if you operate a BVI company from EUSSR, your home country will claim that the BVI company is actually a German company as it is manged from Germany. This is what is called place of effective management and under those local rules, even foreign companies become a local tax resident. If you are in an emerging country, if you travel a lot or if you are otherwise not really living permanently somewhere, you won't have issues. If you are born and raised in Germany, your BVI company is actually a German tax resident. Yes, of course you can solve this with cryptos etc. and hiding, but this would not be exactly legal.
Can you tell me more. How would one go about this if I am not a resident of my home country. For example if I am a digital nomad using Thailand as a base. What visa do I have to get for Thailand?daniels27 said:
I sent you a message.
BVI has no issues. The problem @inector is mentioning is that if you operate a BVI company from EUSSR, your home country will claim that the BVI company is actually a German company as it is manged from Germany. This is what is called place of effective management and under those local rules, even foreign companies become a local tax resident. If you are in an emerging country, if you travel a lot or if you are otherwise not really living permanently somewhere, you won't have issues. If you are born and raised in Germany, your BVI company is actually a German tax resident. Yes, of course you can solve this with cryptos etc. and hiding, but this would not be exactly legal.
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Btw I also confirmed that in my country managing my company from there won't be seen as a local company. CFC rules do not apply to natural person where I am from, so only dividend tax. How will the money flow go if I am a digital nomad? Pay taxes where? If I am on a tourist visa in Thailand I obviously can't work theredaniels27 said:
I sent you a message.
BVI has no issues. The problem @inector is mentioning is that if you operate a BVI company from EUSSR, your home country will claim that the BVI company is actually a German company as it is manged from Germany. This is what is called place of effective management and under those local rules, even foreign companies become a local tax resident. If you are in an emerging country, if you travel a lot or if you are otherwise not really living permanently somewhere, you won't have issues. If you are born and raised in Germany, your BVI company is actually a German tax resident. Yes, of course you can solve this with cryptos etc. and hiding, but this would not be exactly legal.
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If you live in Europe you will quickly figure out that the Tax office in your country will hunt you down, you won't get a chance to proof anything unless you have the following in place:agentsriba said:
But can they prove that the director is only “nominal” if he actually takes place in management of company eg. Signs contractor deals and so on
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It is not about CFC rules. Switzerland, Hong Kong etc. all have no CFC rules but they have very clear laws stipulating that running a foreign company from there makes the foreign company a local company in terms of filing, tax, etc. We would have to know which country you are talking about in order to give any solid advice.agentsriba said:
Can you tell me more. How would one go about this if I am not a resident of my home country. For example if I am a digital nomad using Thailand as a base. What visa do I have to get for Thailand?
Btw I also confirmed that in my country managing my company from there won't be seen as a local company. CFC rules do not apply to natural person where I am from, so only dividend tax. How will the money flow go if I am a digital nomad? Pay taxes where? If I am on a tourist visa in Thailand I obviously can't work there
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If he does not live in Europe, the issues are not that big, but we still would need to know more details.EliasIT said:
So, OP, think carefully about what you're doing to save a few hundred euros in taxes. And if you proceed, make sure you do it properly.
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I am asking about being a digital nomad how wouldEliasIT said:
I was going to write something similar to you. I have personal experience with the tax authorities in Denmark, as many others here do have in other coutnries. Since 2020, perhaps even earlier, the tax offices have been granted the authority to act as both judge and prosecutor at the same time. They have also been given immense power that ordinary people simply cannot contend with.
You can spend 100K euros on lawyers and accountants to shed light on a case, and yet they still fabricate stories as they see fit or ignore what countless hours have been spent demonstrating, not to mention the thousands that go to advisors.
I can only warn you: the tax authorities are the real bandits and criminals. The times have changed - it's no longer them chasing criminals, but rather criminals chasing innocent people.
So, OP, think carefully about what you're doing to save a few hundred euros in taxes. And if you proceed, make sure you do it properly.
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I live in Bulgaria. The land of infinite opportunities. While in Europe I would say its the wild west here. I will have a legit director, doing the contracts, signing them. I would not control the company myself.daniels27 said:
It is not about CFC rules. Switzerland, Hong Kong etc. all have no CFC rules but they have very clear laws stipulating that running a foreign company from there makes the foreign company a local company in terms of filing, tax, etc. We would have to know which country you are talking about in order to give any solid advice.
But I personally would probably recommend Singapore, etc. they cost a bit more but have better reputation.
If he does not live in Europe, the issues are not that big, but we still would need to know more details.
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Just open the company, and go travel. Not much is needed. What do you need to know? How to start? Contact Sovereign or anybody else to incorporate a Singapore company.
What about paying myself dividends? How would that go? Having a bank account in my home country wouldn't make me tax liable there?daniels27 said:
Just open the company, and go travel. Not much is needed. What do you need to know? How to start? Contact Sovereign or anybody else to incorporate a Singapore company.
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Yes, you incorporat in Singapore, file annual returns there and then you pay out all the profits as dividends when you need the money.agentsriba said:
What about paying myself dividends? How would that go? Having a bank account in my home country wouldn't make me tax liable there?
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