How to separate and mask my business interests from my personal?

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My back story...

The first house I saved up for was taken from me by incompetent government action leaving me with a complete distrust of the power of government.

I bought a fixer upper house, after saving my hard earned money for years and started gutting it. Then I get a notice in the mail that I owed the government back taxes over $50,000 (54,324 to be exact, (will never forget that))! The thing is I had a blue collar job that had taxes coming off my paycheck and I had no other business interests then my plan to buy, fix and flip my first house. So I clearly KNEW this was a mistake and that I could clear it up with a simple phone call. How wrong I was. I call the number on the notice and explain that this simply can't be possible and to ask them how I could owe so much. Their response... "because you do". I kept asking them to explain it and all they would say is that their records said I owed it.

I was mad, but the next day it got much worse.

I got a notice from my work that my wages were being garnished and that it would leave me with just over $100 a week to live on. Being caught deeply in debt, with a new mortgage and credit card bills to buy materials, I scrambled in vain to figure out what was going on. Sadly I was completely unprepared to understand the proper course to understand, never mind comprehend the problem. I couldn't believe this could be happening, and had no family for help. What I thought would be figured out in days took most of a year. In that time the bank repossessed my house (and because it was mostly gutted it was sold for less then i paid for it), I had to declare bankruptcy to free myself from my credit card bills, debt owed (non government), and my G/F left me (In hindsight not all that bad LOL). I went from a hard working, tax paying, follow the rules person to someone starting over from the bottom, living on a friends couch.

Finally with the help of a friend I was able to get a lawyer (who took a good chunk of the money I got back), and the best we could figure was that a double zero somehow got added to my tax bill. They ruined my life over a simple accounting error and that is also when I found out that the enforcement and accounting departments do not talk to each other. I kept spending all my time trying to talk sense to the enforcement department, not knowing they don't communicate with the accounting, all they did was threaten me and strip me of my income, telling me all along that there was no mistake. Young, stupid, naive (and afraid) me.

The good news is I didn't let them beat me, I recovered from this travesty in my life, though hard work and dedication. I was able to rebuild myself financially, However, I will always be scarred. I will always have a distrust of the power of government, and a desire to take back my own freedom, to not give them a chance to do that to me again. I recently retired fairly young and I have decided to leave Canada and to protect my freedom as best as I can.

What happened with covid was the final straw.

While I am not a anti vaxer, I have friends that were. I saw the government of Canada lock the bank account of one of my friends who supported the truckers protest (giving me flashbacks of what happened to me) and I watched as 2 co-workers I was close to lost their jobs for the simple reason they did not want to get a shot. I thought to myself, this is crazy, how can this happen? I don't fear working with them, I got my shot. It was nothing but punishment for not obeying.

So here I am trying to figure out how to navigate myself to the proverbial sheltered cove. My personal private corporate pension, I can do nothing about. I have however sold the houses I have owed at the top of the overheated market here and have moved to a cash position. All my taxes are paid, I simply am looking for the best path forward. How do I get my investment money out of Canada, how can I un-associate my money with me personally (ie corporate stucture, etc). What is the best way to do it (ie do it before leaving, while leaving or after?). How can I transfer my money to a corporation controlled by me but not linked to me so I can not just protect myself from reprisals from canada but to keep countries and businesses in my new residential countries from knowing my true wealth and taking advantage (ie say a bank in mexico has cartel insiders, and they pass on the info, for a shakedown on me).

Essentially my purpose is to obfuscate. I need a finacial vehicle that will allow my to invest my money while abroad, be that real estate, stocks, income from a side hustle or two.

So knowing my story, what are my options? Can I reasonably achieve my goals? What is your advice? Any links for knowledge and reading?
 
FREE CITIZEN said:
How can I transfer my money to a corporation controlled by me but not linked to me so I can not just protect myself from reprisals from canada but to keep countries and businesses in my new residential countries from knowing my true wealth and taking advantage (ie say a bank in mexico has cartel insiders, and they pass on the info, for a shakedown on me).
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I am so impressed that as a Canadian resident, you know about this. The fact that you know this is mind-boggling to me. I wonder if the OECD with all their BS CRS/AEOI etc etc already know this, but don't give AF.

I'll have to read your post a few more times to see if I can offer any assistance based on what I have successfully done. I have to search my diary to see if I can find something useful for you.

Keep up the good work.
 
Wow, what a story. Thanks for sharing. That must've been tough to go through.

So if I understand correctly, you have amassed a certain wealth that currently belongs to you personally. You wish to move that money out of reach of the Canadian government.

If the money in question is your personal wealth that isn't subject to any regulatory scrutiny, there is in principle nothing stopping you from just putting that money into a company as a shareholder investment. I'd start looking at places like Isle of Man, Jersey, or Guernsey, where the banks are comfortable with high amounts. Set up a holding company there, which can then make investments in other business you may be looking to run.

Alternatively (or additionally), you might want to consider a trust or similar vehicle (foundation, Anstalt). That can be used to separate you from the assets legally. But there are a million and one ways of going about it, so you'd be wise to do some rudimentary research first.

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This is the probably the answer to your question.
 
Sols said:
there is in ***principle*** nothing stopping you from just putting that money into a company as a shareholder investment
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@Sols gave you wonderful plans of attack, just bear in mind that those who feel they "own" you have NO ***principle*** and will NEVER EV ER adhere to ANY ***principle*** whether the "law" (words written, usually, in ink on paper that burn easily) offers them guidance or NOT!

I'm speaking from the perspective of boots-on-the-ground and in-the-trenches battles. Do NOT even tell your shadow what you will do. As Nike says: Just do it!

Follow @Sols advice without disclosing your purpose to ANYONE! 😉

@FREE CITIZEN
 
Get some tax advice initially, to ensure your funds are not held accountable to any taxes at the point of them being generated but also at potential exit taxes when leaving the country. That should be your first step. If you end up being exposed to an exit tax you should consider planning to work around it. Once you are off the hook, the determining factor of what your ongoing structure would be should be your choice of tax residency. Slow and careful planning, thats your recipe.
 
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Get some tax advice initially, to ensure your funds are not held accountable to any taxes at the point of them being generated but also at potential exit taxes when leaving the country. That should be your first step. If you end up being exposed to an exit tax you should consider planning to work around it. Once you are off the hook, the determining factor of what your ongoing structure would be should be your choice of tax residency. Slow and careful planning, thats your recipe.
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My liquidated 95% of all my assets into cash (I sold all my real estate holdings and paid all the taxes owing, same with my stocks). I sold most of my un-needed belongings, and started applying for residency in another country (just a stop along the way). I am DEAD serious about breaking my ties with Canada, and working to become a citizen of the world. Yes I know I will have to select a residency (at least till I prove to Canada that I have truly created subsistence in another country). So yes, my taxes are paid there would be no further owing for them and come the new year I am gone.

What places for tax residency would you recommend?

What I need is the proper game plan on how to make my personal wealth disappear (form a corporation? etc?) once I am free, So I have control over my life once again from being taken advantage of governments that are either inept or corrupt.

What steps to take, I am still trying to nail down.

DM's welcome.
 
First thing: What languages do you speak fluently?
 
FREE CITIZEN said:
My back story...

The first house I saved up for was taken from me by incompetent government action leaving me with a complete distrust of the power of government.

I bought a fixer upper house, after saving my hard earned money for years and started gutting it. Then I get a notice in the mail that I owed the government back taxes over $50,000 (54,324 to be exact, (will never forget that))! The thing is I had a blue collar job that had taxes coming off my paycheck and I had no other business interests then my plan to buy, fix and flip my first house. So I clearly KNEW this was a mistake and that I could clear it up with a simple phone call. How wrong I was. I call the number on the notice and explain that this simply can't be possible and to ask them how I could owe so much. Their response... "because you do". I kept asking them to explain it and all they would say is that their records said I owed it.

I was mad, but the next day it got much worse.

I got a notice from my work that my wages were being garnished and that it would leave me with just over $100 a week to live on. Being caught deeply in debt, with a new mortgage and credit card bills to buy materials, I scrambled in vain to figure out what was going on. Sadly I was completely unprepared to understand the proper course to understand, never mind comprehend the problem. I couldn't believe this could be happening, and had no family for help. What I thought would be figured out in days took most of a year. In that time the bank repossessed my house (and because it was mostly gutted it was sold for less then i paid for it), I had to declare bankruptcy to free myself from my credit card bills, debt owed (non government), and my G/F left me (In hindsight not all that bad LOL). I went from a hard working, tax paying, follow the rules person to someone starting over from the bottom, living on a friends couch.

Finally with the help of a friend I was able to get a lawyer (who took a good chunk of the money I got back), and the best we could figure was that a double zero somehow got added to my tax bill. They ruined my life over a simple accounting error and that is also when I found out that the enforcement and accounting departments do not talk to each other. I kept spending all my time trying to talk sense to the enforcement department, not knowing they don't communicate with the accounting, all they did was threaten me and strip me of my income, telling me all along that there was no mistake. Young, stupid, naive (and afraid) me.

The good news is I didn't let them beat me, I recovered from this travesty in my life, though hard work and dedication. I was able to rebuild myself financially, However, I will always be scarred. I will always have a distrust of the power of government, and a desire to take back my own freedom, to not give them a chance to do that to me again. I recently retired fairly young and I have decided to leave Canada and to protect my freedom as best as I can.

What happened with covid was the final straw.

While I am not a anti vaxer, I have friends that were. I saw the government of Canada lock the bank account of one of my friends who supported the truckers protest (giving me flashbacks of what happened to me) and I watched as 2 co-workers I was close to lost their jobs for the simple reason they did not want to get a shot. I thought to myself, this is crazy, how can this happen? I don't fear working with them, I got my shot. It was nothing but punishment for not obeying.

So here I am trying to figure out how to navigate myself to the proverbial sheltered cove. My personal private corporate pension, I can do nothing about. I have however sold the houses I have owed at the top of the overheated market here and have moved to a cash position. All my taxes are paid, I simply am looking for the best path forward. How do I get my investment money out of Canada, how can I un-associate my money with me personally (ie corporate stucture, etc). What is the best way to do it (ie do it before leaving, while leaving or after?). How can I transfer my money to a corporation controlled by me but not linked to me so I can not just protect myself from reprisals from canada but to keep countries and businesses in my new residential countries from knowing my true wealth and taking advantage (ie say a bank in mexico has cartel insiders, and they pass on the info, for a shakedown on me).

Essentially my purpose is to obfuscate. I need a finacial vehicle that will allow my to invest my money while abroad, be that real estate, stocks, income from a side hustle or two.

So knowing my story, what are my options? Can I reasonably achieve my goals? What is your advice? Any links for knowledge and reading?
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As a Canadian, you are only 'half fucked' by the 'lottery' -> it's worse south of the border.

If you try and hide your interests they will claim its laundering or tax evasion or something making you spend money to defend yourself, where the state is concerned it's guilty until proven innocent.

Move to the global south, take your skills and experience and start afresh the moment you obtain citizenship, renounce your citizenship in Canada and that's the end of it.

The West is akin to the last throws of the British Empire, or the Roman Empire, from here on out will be chaotic and with ever increasing Government authoritarianism trying to starve off the ultimate collapse in the early 30's.

The signs are absolutely everywhere.

That's 10 yrs... the average person lives 60-80 yrs, 1/6h to 1/8th of a life span you have, for self interest leaving is the best position one can make, the West will continue to decline the Global South (specifically the monsoon region) will rise.
 
FREE CITIZEN said:
My liquidated 95% of all my assets into cash (I sold all my real estate holdings and paid all the taxes owing, same with my stocks). I sold most of my un-needed belongings, and started applying for residency in another country (just a stop along the way). I am DEAD serious about breaking my ties with Canada, and working to become a citizen of the world. Yes I know I will have to select a residency (at least till I prove to Canada that I have truly created subsistence in another country). So yes, my taxes are paid there would be no further owing for them and come the new year I am gone.

What places for tax residency would you recommend?

What I need is the proper game plan on how to make my personal wealth disappear (form a corporation? etc?) once I am free, So I have control over my life once again from being taken advantage of governments that are either inept or corrupt.

What steps to take, I am still trying to nail down.

DM's welcome.
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I can provide advice on the right course of action. Let me know if you would like to discuss it and we can chat through pm.
 

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