Poland for freelancer tax

[theotheo]

Hello there

After some research for choosing my new country of expatriation over Romania :
My only restrain is to stay in GDPR compliant country

Romania LLC : 14% Tax burden + Impredictability of fiscal reform
Bulgaria Self registered : 11.25% Tax burden + fear of corruption and alphabet not latin
Poland Sole Proprietorship : 10.5% Tax burden + but cold country
Cyprus Company : 15.15% Tax burden + K euros for maintenance + crazy rent price + no car
Portugal NHR + Self registered : 7% Tax (20% over 35% of the turnover) + I will never succeed into justifying enough business expense to keep the 35% tax reduction)

Estonia : is 20% CIT which is already over
Malta : can't understand the scheme there

I am thinking of registering as sole proprietorship in Poland
The tax burden is like :
- 8.5% Turnover tax (for IT testers jobs / 12% for Programmers)
- 3600 € annually (Reduced Social contributions for 2 years

The tax burden is 10.5%

Any recommendation for a polish company providing services for registration ?
Any counter tips for going into Poland (tax wise)

Thanks

 

[Marzio]

If you qualify there's the Polish IP Box that will allow you to pay 5% income tax

https://pravna.pl/lp-ipbox

 

[Don]

Poland freelancer setup is not a bad choice.
However, note that its taxed based on turnover so I believe you can't deduct expenses.
I know a few people who run such setups combined with entities in Estonia, paying overall 8.5% tax.
Estonian entity pays tax on profit distribution only, and business expenses can be deducted + having a legal entity is in some cases better for marketing as you can present yourself as a "company". Estonian also provides further tax structuring options that could be leveraged in the future.

Note that Cyprus offers 2.5% CIT regime for IP so total tax would be 5.15% if you add social tax. Qualifiying as a freelancer can be challenging though.

 

[theotheo]

Thanks for reply

No IP work unfortunatly
Beg me pardon, Cyprus is a good choice, it's just that it doesn't fit my current income

My expense is very very few, 2-3K eur annualy

 

[Don]

theotheo said:
Thanks for reply

No IP work unfortunatly
Beg me pardon, Cyprus is a good choice, it's just that it doesn't fit my current income

My expense is very very few, 2-3K eur annualy
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Cyprus is indeed expensive, and you don't want to live cheaply in this country.

You can also consider establishing residence in some territorial or zero tax jurisdiction and living a digital nomad lifestyle (moving around and avoiding tax residency) using some offshore entity that helps you keep the tax at 0%, but it is not suitable for everyone.

 

[theotheo]

Good for others then, unfortunately none are countries GDPR for my case

I could have said Malta
I live for 6 month and get residency tax but what prevent them to say that my freelance income earned during the 6 first month are not foreign source (0%) but Malta source

 

[mgs999999999]

theotheo said:
Hello there

After some research for choosing my new country of expatriation over Romania :
My only restrain is to stay in GDPR compliant country

Romania LLC : 14% Tax burden + Impredictability of fiscal reform
Bulgaria Self registered : 11.25% Tax burden + fear of corruption and alphabet not latin
Poland Sole Proprietorship : 10.5% Tax burden + but cold country
Cyprus Company : 15.15% Tax burden + K euros for maintenance + crazy rent price + no car
Portugal NHR + Self registered : 7% Tax (20% over 35% of the turnover) + I will never succeed into justifying enough business expense to keep the 35% tax reduction)

Estonia : is 20% CIT which is already over
Malta : can't understand the scheme there

I am thinking of registering as sole proprietorship in Poland
The tax burden is like :
- 8.5% Turnover tax (for IT testers jobs / 12% for Programmers)
- 3600 € annually (Reduced Social contributions for 2 years

The tax burden is 10.5%

Any recommendation for a polish company providing services for registration ?
Any counter tips for going into Poland (tax wise)

Thanks
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Great summary! I am in the same situation than you.

I think I'm going to go for Bulgaria. As a freelance you pay 7.5% + social contributions which are around 5k per year but maintainable is quite cheap.

What is exactly the fear of corruption that you have? I mean, how can it affect to you?

Best wishes

 

[MRot]

Would the Italy Impatriate scheme perhaps be interesting as Freelancer.
The combined tax burden would be about 17% in the North, 5% in the South. At a 200K profit.

The main constraint is that you need to stay in the country for a minimum of 2 years, and the tax reduction lasts for a maximum of 5 years.

 

[theotheo]

Social contrib in Italy, so not profitable

 

[MRot]

Actually the Italian pension body released a clarification this June, that the tax reduction from the Impatriati regime also reduces Social contributions, thereby making an attractive effective rate.

https://www.studionatellaebruno.com...ircolare n.,quella individuata ai fini Irpef.

 

[myhand]

Marzio said:
If you qualify there's the Polish IP Box that will allow you to pay 5% income tax

https://pravna.pl/lp-ipbox
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Not bad, something you tried or read only?

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[Marshal]

mgs999999999 said:
I think I'm going to go for Bulgaria. As a freelance you pay 7.5% + social contributions which are around 5k per year but maintainable is quite cheap.

What is exactly the fear of corruption that you have? I mean, how can it affect to you?
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Wherever there is power and money, there is corruption. It's a worldwide issue. I come to think that some people on here see Bulgaria as a wild west. I would say don't draw such conclusions without even visiting this country.

 

[scooterguy]

MRot said:
Actually the Italian pension body released a clarification this June, that the tax reduction from the Impatriati regime also reduces Social contributions, thereby making an attractive effective rate.

https://www.studionatellaebruno.com...ircolare n.,quella individuata ai fini Irpef.
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That's really good to know, makes Italy much more attractive.

It is an expensive country though. I get the feeling that Poland is still a better choice for OP.

Investment income is also taxed more favorably in Poland, which can also benefit OP in the medium to long term.

 

[MRot]

scooterguy said:
That's really good to know, makes Italy much more attractive.

It is an expensive country though. I get the feeling that Poland is still a better choice for OP.

Investment income is also taxed more favorably in Poland, which can also benefit OP in the medium to long term.
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Poland is a bit cheaper, but Italy is definitely not expensive. If you make decent money, that difference in costs means very little.
That being said, I do think Poland is a very solid choice if you fall into the 8,5% bracket.

Italy is more restrictive, because you need to stay there for at least 2 years to get tax advantage. And the tax advantage only lasts for a maximum of 5 years.
Also, the best rate of 5% effective tax is only for living in the Southern part of the country. That is not the most attractive part to live.

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[369]

depending on your income sp. z o. o. in poland may also fit.
If i remember correct 9% from profit if not over 2 million eur a year and only 30 EUR instead 300 EUR per month for social contributions.

 

[scooterguy]

MRot said:
Poland is a bit cheaper, but Italy is definitely not expensive. If you make decent money, that difference in costs means very little.
That being said, I do think Poland is a very solid choice if you fall into the 8,5% bracket.

Italy is more restrictive, because you need to stay there for at least 2 years to get tax advantage. And the tax advantage only lasts for a maximum of 5 years.
Also, the best rate of 5% effective tax is only for living in the Southern part of the country. That is not the most attractive part to live.
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Hmmm interesting...

I've always thought that living a decently good life in a place like Milan (renting your own apartment in a decent area, eating out a few times a week, etc.) was much more expensive than the same quality of life in a place like Krakow or Warsaw.

Am I wrong? Because, if I am, I might start considering Italy as a place to be in at some point during the next few years. 😀

 

[Marzio]

myhand said:
Not bad, something you tried
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I know a handful of people who are currently operating with this scheme

 

[12345]

369 said:
depending on your income sp. z o. o. in poland may also fit.
If i remember correct 9% from profit if not over 2 million eur a year and only 30 EUR instead 300 EUR per month for social contributions.
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9% and then capitals gains tax of 19% on top of that if you want to get the money out

 

[Onassis]

Have you looked into the Czech Republic and their 60/40 model? Effective tax should be below 10%.

 

[MRot]

scooterguy said:
Hmmm interesting...

I've always thought that living a decently good life in a place like Milan (renting your own apartment in a decent area, eating out a few times a week, etc.) was much more expensive than the same quality of life in a place like Krakow or Warsaw.

Am I wrong? Because, if I am, I might start considering Italy as a place to be in at some point during the next few years. 😀
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Milan is expensive. If you live in Italy and work remote, there are better and much cheaper choices than Milan with a high quality of life. Unless you really are a big city person.