BalnearioCamboriu said:
I've remembered. Not David, but Colón. The
whole city, that is.
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Not true. This is what I first heard too and it kept me out of Colon for 2 years.
The best beaches are in Colon (Caribbean Sea). I go there all the time, and have locals take us to the most pristine untouched beaches in their dingy boats. Never had a problem.
This is also Colon:
Playa Escondida Resort & Marina · C6RF+P82, Maria Chiquita, Panama
Does it look dangerous to you?
Deepbarrels said:
I'm just quoting this from 2 separate, very experienced immigration lawyers who live in Panama, so that people don't get their hopes up that its a fairly easy process, because it's not.
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It's not a fairly easy process. Why should it be?
Should Panama give citizenships to every immigrant like a lot of Western countries did and go down the gutter?
If for
any country, you can't speak their language, have no investments there, don't physically live there, and have no clue about their history - should you get citizenship?
Of course, you "can" with citizenship by investment, but it doesn't mean you "should". Maybe it was too easy before and the Panamanian government smartened up.
If anything, it's a good thing that they tightened the process, since Panama won't go the way of other citizenship-by-investment countries.
Dominica nationals lost travel privileges to U.K., while Panamanians can now travel visa free to Canada.
Deepbarrels said:
Have you gotten your Panama citizenship in the last 2 years? If so, please enlighten us.
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I've only been in Panama for ~4 years.
You need to be here for 5 years to gain citizenship.
You're talking based on what two "experienced" lawyers are saying. I am quoting government documents where you can see the number of naturalizations.
It's 25 naturalizations per month:
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https://www.gacetaoficial.gob.pa/pdfTemp/29745_A/GacetaNo_29745a_20230322.pdf
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https://www.gacetaoficial.gob.pa/pdfTemp/29741_A/GacetaNo_29741a_20230316.pdf
Lawyers are incentivized to drag the process along and drown you in fees. Even then, naturalization needs the President to sign.
If you're just a random foreigner with no ties, looking to gain citizenship, Panama isn't the right option for you. If you're actually assimilating, you should be able to get your citizenship.
But to the core question, which was a comparison between U.A.E. and Panama - of course Panama is the better option.
With one, you're at the whim of a dictatorship and can get deported at any time. You will
never be an Emirati.
In the other, you have an actual path to citizenship.
So, Panama wins.
Deepbarrels said:
You mentioned that you left Panama 4 years ago, I was asking where did you move to, if you found a better place than Panama. Closer to the Americas and away from the Carribbean I would guess Mexico?
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No, I said I've "lived out of Panama" for the last ~4 years. Meaning, I live in Panama.
I said I moved to Panama because it's close to the Americans and not as small as the Caribbean countries.
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