Bank account for company trading CFD, Forex, Equities

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I've been trading FX and CFD's for 14 years and have spent a lot of time staying ahead of restrictive US policies that make trading more difficult and expensive. (Dodd/Frank, Obama, Gensler, etc).

My first move was to start using offshore brokers and funding with crypto. It worked and still does, but most brokers don't support crypto funding which limits broker choices going forward.

Next move was gaining residency outside of the US. This opened up a few more brokers, and I found one that supported funding and withdraw in my local currency using SPEI (MXN).

While using SPEI for MXN transfers is personally useful, all of our trading is in USD and most clients use or want USD, GBP, CHF and CAD.

US, Canadian, etc. clients have their money pooled since they are forbidden to open brokerage accounts with any broker we would consider using. The more fortunate clients open their own brokerage accounts. We robocopy trades to them. They pay a performance fee. Simple model.

We want to stay ahead of the curve:
1. More broker options. Since I'm a US taxpayer and always will be, many brokers politely decline the business when they see a US citizen involved, regardless of residency.
2. Crypto is clearly under attack by the US government. All of our broker withdrawals, except for one, use crypto. We need to diversify to have SWIFT, SEPA, etc. I received an email this morning that Binance.us is halting fiat service.
3. We have had no success with any of our current brokers wiring funds to accounts in Mexico, since the intermediary banks are in the US.
4. Panama seems to be a logical choice since the national currency is USD and offshore operations pay zero tax.

Reading through this forum has created more questions:

1. Is my business considered to be "low risk"?
2. Would a reputable bank want to do business with us? Proving source of funds would not be difficult. We are trade advisors and charge a performance fee for the service.
3. If a Panamanian bank took the business, would we have difficulty wiring funds to clients in G7 countries? Is Panama in the same group as BVI, SVG, etc?
4. Are there better alternatives for company formation and USD banking?
5. Would an EMI provide a better solution than a bank? Funds are parked with brokers. We only need be paid by clients and send redemptions. Not every client wants to deal with crypto.

My closest experience with an EMI is Paypal. I'm certain they aren't an option. I tried Neteller in the past as a crypto alternative but it didn't go well. Mostly because I'm an American.

So called advisors tell different stories. I'm hoping to find people here that have actual experience with a similar business structure and could explain what works and what to avoid. I've seen posts by other traders with a similar situation, but the threads went nowhere. Example below.

Best Jurisdiction for An Offshore Investment Fund

I'm in the US now to get an apostilled copy of my passport. My attorney advised me that this would be needed at some point for offshore company formation and banking.

With all my documents in hand, I'm ready to travel.

Some advisors have mentioned Cayman, Malaysia and Singapore as good options. I would never consider Hong Kong or any other jurisdiction that would cause banking difficulty.

I hope to continue this thread until we have implemented and tested a solid solution for the business. I know there are many other G7 based traders out there, and we're all frustrated with the horrible conditions our respective governments have forced upon us- All of it in the name of our safety. If I can figure out a solid structure, I'll be happy to share the details and recommend banks, attorneys, accountants or other advisors that provide excellent service.
 
I do not consider myself being an expert re: proper jurisdiction for FX and CFD's trading, so just a few remarks related to banking.
aaceofspades said:
Since I'm a US taxpayer and always will be, many brokers politely decline the business when they see a US citizen involved, regardless of residency.
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It's not surprising. With banking you can expect roughly the same. Generally, US passport is not a good one for a non-US banking. Consider acquiring some second citizenship...
aaceofspades said:
1. Is my business considered to be "low risk"?
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Unfortunately, it is not.
aaceofspades said:
2. Would a reputable bank want to do business with us? Proving source of funds would not be difficult. We are trade advisors and charge a performance fee for the service.
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It will not be an easy task and it will heavily depend on the jurisdiction where the company will be registered.
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3. If a Panamanian bank took the business, would we have difficulty wiring funds to clients in G7 countries?
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I am afraid, you will.
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Is Panama in the same group as BVI, SVG, etc?
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Unfortunately, it is.
aaceofspades said:
4. Are there better alternatives for company formation and USD banking?
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Generally: yes, of course; but I am not able to judge wrt FX and CFD's trading.
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5. Would an EMI provide a better solution than a bank?
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To the best of my knowledge, it will be easier accessible (than a bank) and will handle your use-case as well as a bank or better. The only sensitive issue can be the volume ”“ a vast majority of EMIs (not all) is not very comfortable with high 6 - 7+ figures transactions.
aaceofspades said:
Funds are parked with brokers. We only need be paid by clients and send redemptions. Not every client wants to deal with crypto.
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Clear.
aaceofspades said:
My closest experience with an EMI is Paypal. I'm certain they aren't an option.
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I agree at 100% 🙂
aaceofspades said:
I tried Neteller in the past as a crypto alternative but it didn't go well. Mostly because I'm an American.
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Yes, probably.
aaceofspades said:
I'm in the US now to get an apostilled copy of my passport. My attorney advised me that this would be needed at some point for offshore company formation and banking.
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Correct.
aaceofspades said:
I would never consider Hong Kong or any other jurisdiction that would cause banking difficulty.
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FMPOV, a company under Hong Kong jurisdiction does not cause more or less problems with banking than a lot of another jurisdictions. Maybe on the contrary, it is perfectly possible to create a HK company with banking included ”“ but just generally, I am unable to judge when it concerns FX and CFD's trading.
aaceofspades said:
I hope to continue this thread until we have implemented and tested a solid solution for the business. I know there are many other G7 based traders out there, and we're all frustrated with the horrible conditions our respective governments have forced upon us- All of it in the name of our safety. If I can figure out a solid structure, I'll be happy to share the details and recommend banks, attorneys, accountants or other advisors that provide excellent service.
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Good luck!

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Your business is not low risk. Being a US citizen makes the banking even more complicated.
Where is your company incorporated?
There are EMIs that do accept US citizens, however, you have to be incorporated properly and at least hold a legal opinion.

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Easiest solution is to gain another citizenship and renounce. The sooner you escape US Tax authorities the better.
 
Two replies have said my business is high risk without explanation. I don't see how trading the markets is high risk? I'm not trying to anonymously move money from place to place. Money is only moved twice per month for client redemptions and performance fees. All of this is completely traceable. Where's the risk?

Renouncing is not part of my plan. Reducing and limiting taxes is one goal and Puerto Rico seems like a good alternative we're looking into.

The most important goal for now is to have ability to open broker accounts anywhere we choose by removing US citizenship as a barrier.
 
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Two replies have said my business is high risk without explanation. I don't see how trading the markets is high risk? I'm not trying to anonymously move money from place to place. Money is only moved twice per month for client redemptions and performance fees. All of this is completely traceable. Where's the risk?
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I (hopefully) understand your perspective. But this is not the perspective of banking analysts ”“ who are deciding about the classification. In their perspective, “high-risk” is, in fact, like a synonym for “more work” or “possible troubles”. Now, compare your business e.g. to trading groceries: where it is more probable that some delicate situation may occur, especially wrt contemporary AML, anti-terrorist etc. madness? And when you hold and trade your clients funds, even when in some cases, the result is totally clear...

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... “high-risk” is, in fact, like a synonym for “more work” or “possible troubles”. Now, compare your business e.g. to trading groceries: where it is more probable that some delicate situation may occur, especially wrt contemporary AML, anti-terrorist etc. madness? And when you hold and trade your clients funds, even when in some cases, the result is totally clear...
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When you put it that way, unfortunately, I understand. Thanks for taking the time to clarify that for me.
 
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When you put it that way, unfortunately, I understand. Thanks for taking the time to clarify that for me.
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You are welcome.

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