How to incorporate adult business?

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Hi, I am in the process of making an adult website (it's a used lingerie marketplace, not a P**N site if that matters). I am new to this and I contacted 2 payment processors, CCbill and Verotel. They told me I need my business incorporated in order to get approved.

So my situation is I'm American but I live in Thailand. Can someone explain to me like I'm five how I go about doing this? Which countries should I use and what are the steps in getting incorporated?

Verotel accepts UK, EEA countries, and gibraltar. Ccbill accepts US/Canada and a bunch of EU countries.
 
Tryout incorporating within the UK, as its versatile and well accepted amongst most adult processors.

next step would be banking, do you intend to have successful card payments, settled funds from merchant acct into a thai account or the US acct?.

moreso considering bank acct type: Biz bank acct/ personal acct, intended as required by processor.

where do you intend to pay tax,US/Thai?

with a domicile outside the US, more relevance should be around a processor accepting your current scenario.

alternatively get a processor service attached with an incoporated entity+ banking+ merchant processor package..

moreso do subscribe for the Mentor Group Gold, A few threads would also point you towards the required steps as well as an overview of your intended goals.

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VESTANON said:
Tryout incorporating within the UK, as its versatile and well accepted amongst most adult processors.

next step would be banking, do you intend to have successful card payments, settled funds from merchant acct into a thai account or the US acct?.

moreso considering bank acct type: Biz bank acct/ personal acct, intended as required by processor.

where do you intend to pay tax,US/Thai?

with a domicile outside the US, more relevance should be around a processor accepting your current scenario.

alternatively get a processor service attached with an incoporated entity+ banking+ merchant processor package..

moreso do subscribe for the Mentor Group Gold, A few threads would also point you towards the required steps as well as an overview of your intended goals.
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Keep in mind I know nothing about how all of this works.... do you need a bank account in a country that you are incorporating a business? Do I need a real address to put down in the country I incorporate in? If so, only US/Thailand would be possible(and payment processors do not accept Thailand).

I'm not sure if this would count as a bank account, but I have a Wise account which can accept all of the currencies I think. Also I have a Revolut account which accepts a lot of the major currencies. Would I be able to use Wise/Revolut as my bank account, if incorporating a business requires I bank in that country?

I am also not sure where I'd pay tax. Wouldn't I be paying tax in the country I incorporate the website in?

And my permanent place I plan on staying is Thailand, but I have family I can use as an address in US (if having an address is required)

What would you advise for me to do based on that info? Like I said, the country I use has to be accepted by either ccbill or verotel (verotel is EEA, UK, gibraltar, ccbill is both western countries and EU countries)

VESTANON said:
Tryout incorporating within the UK, as its versatile and well accepted amongst most adult processors.

next step would be banking, do you intend to have successful card payments, settled funds from merchant acct into a thai account or the US acct?.

moreso considering bank acct type: Biz bank acct/ personal acct, intended as required by processor.

where do you intend to pay tax,US/Thai?

with a domicile outside the US, more relevance should be around a processor accepting your current scenario.

alternatively get a processor service attached with an incoporated entity+ banking+ merchant processor package..

moreso do subscribe for the Mentor Group Gold, A few threads would also point you towards the required steps as well as an overview of your intended goals.
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Oh, another thing which might help you help me... I looked up 5 of the other panty websites, and on who.is, 3 of the 5 use the same information in Iceland, for example scentedpansy.com whois lookup - who.is here is 1 of the panty websites. 2 more of the panty websites use that same exact address in Iceland. Does this mean they are all incorporated in Iceland?

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Bluevelvet said:
do you need a bank account in a country that you are incorporating a business?
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Yes most times, as it has its advantages having to incorporate in a jurisdiction same as banking, creates overall trust from prospective clients/users as well as criterias related to banking and Due Diligence.. moreso taxes and overall fees would be synonymous and subject to the chosen jurisdiction choice.

for a choice of banking outside the jurisdiction of incorporation, An EMI would be best suited, though do take incognizance EMIs might request several/multiple docs, an intensive DD, all inline with the incorporated entity and jurisdiction...do take note, a few EMIs prefer onboarding certain Jurisdistions over and above others, due to risk appetite of certain EMIs..




Bluevelvet said:
Do I need a real address to put down in the country I incorporate in?
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Not for certain as most processors might simply require a virtual office space,utility bill, proof of substance etc. across the board several processors would stipulate whats viable and not...
from experience its quite of an advantage having a real addy, thats the same as jurisdiction of incorporation, simply removes less scrutiny, future questions etc.




Bluevelvet said:
Would I be able to use Wise/Revolut as my bank account, if incorporating a business requires I bank in that country?
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Yes wise/revolut would be in good stance as you could state to the processor of choice, you intend to receive several currency types from prospective clients globally and the adoption of either wise/revolut.

moreover most processors prefer physical banks over EMIs longterm..however EMIs have a tendency to scrutinize incoming TRX above and beyond at any given time, all in the name of operational policies,AML, DD...something to consider overall.


Bluevelvet said:
I am also not sure where I'd pay tax. Wouldn't I be paying tax in the country I incorporate the website in
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Tax payments aligns with country of incorporation, as well as taxes could be two way, country of incorporation and jurisdiction of operations...
The Latter would be always highly dependent on local laws where your substance,presence, suppliers etc exist and functions from....
( the Tax section could be elaborated upon by @Sols @Martin Everson et al)...


Bluevelvet said:
And my permanent place I plan on staying is Thailand, but I have family I can use as an address in US (if having an address is required)
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though not advisable to drag in family ties etc, into business operations for the forseeable future, just incase AML,Tax Laws, TOCs, banking policies have been breached and the biz in question goes Belly Up, Mum,dad,sis Would be visited By the Alphabeth boyz posing as Santa Claus....

in place you could simply use virtual office spaces, rental warehouse if you intend to stock an inventory...



Bluevelvet said:
What would you advise for me to do based on that info?
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Do not place all eggs in one basket, simply try onboarding with both Verotel, and CCbill...( moreso would advice you could incorporate in the UK as a substitute and either the US/Cyprus)..
a few similar processors you could try out :
instabill
durango
trynovel( US based Banking speciality for non residence clients).
**Revolut has an appetite for banking UK entities.


Bluevelvet said:
Does this mean they are all incorporated in Iceland?
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not a given, more times over, location of website domain/hosting would be jurisdictions where such products are considered a norm, which makes it easier when executing and integrating the merchant processors API phase..

inline with incorporation, a business can incorporate in a jurisdiction, where banking,domain hosting,substance etc all fall within a given geographical zone..
which makes it more suitable, and highly likeable for processors to onboard..

thus far a few more members could queue in as well as per your thread..

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VESTANON said:
Yes most times, as it has its advantages having to incorporate in a jurisdiction same as banking, creates overall trust from prospective clients/users as well as criterias related to banking and Due Diligence.. moreso taxes and overall fees would be synonymous and subject to the chosen jurisdiction choice.

for a choice of banking outside the jurisdiction of incorporation, An EMI would be best suited, though do take incognizance EMIs might request several/multiple docs, an intensive DD, all inline with the incorporated entity and jurisdiction...do take note, a few EMIs prefer onboarding certain Jurisdistions over and above others, due to risk appetite of certain EMIs..





Not for certain as most processors might simply require a virtual office space,utility bill, proof of substance etc. across the board several processors would stipulate whats viable and not...
from experience its quite of an advantage having a real addy, thats the same as jurisdiction of incorporation, simply removes less scrutiny, future questions etc.





Yes wise/revolut would be in good stance as you could state to the processor of choice, you intend to receive several currency types from prospective clients globally and the adoption of either wise/revolut.

moreover most processors prefer physical banks over EMIs longterm..however EMIs have a tendency to scrutinize incoming TRX above and beyond at any given time, all in the name of operational policies,AML, DD...something to consider overall.



Tax payments aligns with country of incorporation, as well as taxes could be two way, country of incorporation and jurisdiction of operations...
The Latter would be always highly dependent on local laws where your substance,presence, suppliers etc exist and functions from....
( the Tax section could be elaborated upon by @Sols @Martin Everson et al)...



though not advisable to drag in family ties etc, into business operations for the forseeable future, just incase AML,Tax Laws, TOCs, banking policies have been breached and the biz in question goes Belly Up, Mum,dad,sis Would be visited By the Alphabeth boyz posing as Santa Claus....

in place you could simply use virtual office spaces, rental warehouse if you intend to stock an inventory...




Do not place all eggs in one basket, simply try onboarding with both Verotel, and CCbill...( moreso would advice you could incorporate in the UK as a substitute and either the US/Cyprus)..
a few similar processors you could try out :
instabill
durango
trynovel( US based Banking speciality for non residence clients).
**Revolut has an appetite for banking UK entities.



not a given, more times over, location of website domain/hosting would be jurisdictions where such products are considered a norm, which makes it easier when executing and integrating the merchant processors API phase..

inline with incorporation, a business can incorporate in a jurisdiction, where banking,domain hosting,substance etc all fall within a given geographical zone..
which makes it more suitable, and highly likeable for processors to onboard..

thus far a few more members could queue in as well as per your thread..
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Thanks for the reply. I have contacted instabill and durango to see what they say.

I have talked to ccbill and they seem too difficult (if I register the business in EU, I would need an EU ID which I don't have as I'm American). But with Verotel, they said I could register the business in EU and use my US ID for personal identification.

Is it true that EU is much better to register in for adult businesses than US? If I wanted to register in US would that be more of a hassle? And if I do choose US, can I choose any state? I've read that Wyoming/Delaware/Nevada/Oregon are the 4 best states to register businesses in.

Do you know what countries most adult business register in? From going to who.is and looking up a bunch of P**N sites most of them are in Luxembourg, Iceland, or Czech. What countries do you suggest?

Oh and since you said a bank account in the country you incorporate is needed.... well, would something like a Wise account work? Seeing as they accept all currencies I think. Or would it have to be a real bank?
 
Bluevelvet said:
Oh and since you said a bank account in the country you incorporate is needed.... well, would something like a Wise account work? Seeing as they accept all currencies I think. Or would it have to be a real bank?
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That would work well for most type of business.

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Bluevelvet said:
But with Verotel, they said I could register the business in EU and use my US ID for personal identification.
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Try Out Verotel as thats a step towards the right direction.


Bluevelvet said:
Is it true that EU is much better to register in for adult businesses than US?
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both jurisdiction mentioned, consists of its advantages and pitfalls...EU might have a slight top over the US in terms of inactive/delayed reporting, and probably Taxation procedures..


Bluevelvet said:
If I wanted to register in US would that be more of a hassle?
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not a hassle as a couple of experienced members on here have US LLCs and the likes, though for sure atime a TIN,DL etc would be required towards conclusively setting up/incorporating a US LLC...you should have no hitches as per your citizenship.
Bluevelvet said:
And if I do choose US, can I choose any state?
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Specific US states offer incentives ,Tax relieves etc which might be of good ground where to finally incorporate...heard New Mexico could be a good choice to look into as well.
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Do you know what countries most adult business register in?
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most adult biz register within panama,cyprus, east europe, Seychelles. moreso look at jurisdictions where adult/escort services would be legal..


Bluevelvet said:
would something like a Wise account work?
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Yup wise generally works adequately well, with businesses genuinely registered, with paper works to show as proof whenever required.

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Try Out Verotel as thats a step towards the right direction.



both jurisdiction mentioned, consists of its advantages and pitfalls...EU might have a slight top over the US in terms of inactive/delayed reporting, and probably Taxation procedures..



not a hassle as a couple of experienced members on here have US LLCs and the likes, though for sure atime a TIN,DL etc would be required towards conclusively setting up/incorporating a US LLC...you should have no hitches as per your citizenship.

Specific US states offer incentives ,Tax relieves etc which might be of good ground where to finally incorporate...heard New Mexico could be a good choice to look into as well.

most adult biz register within panama,cyprus, east europe, Seychelles. moreso look at jurisdictions where adult/escort services would be legal..



Yup wise generally works adequately well, with businesses genuinely registered, with paper works to show as proof whenever required.
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I talked with Verotel and actually with them, all of the money goes into a "Bitsafe" account, in which you can transfer to any bank account you want.

Verotel only accepts UK, Gibraltar and EEA countries. They told me that alot of their merchants register in UK fairly easily. I looked up services for incorporating in UK and its around 100 pounds to do this with service companies. I believe its like 13 pounds if you do it yourself but I have no idea how any of that works.

I have a dumb question about taxes..... so if you register in US you have to pay 21% corporate tax, do you also have to pay a state tax? For the UK as far as I know, you just have to pay 19% corporate tax and that's it
 
Do you know any competitor websites?
Simply look which setup they use.
This is the easiest way for the beginning.
 
Bluevelvet said:
I have a dumb question about taxes..... so if you register in US you have to pay 21% corporate tax, do you also have to pay a state tax? For the UK as far as I know, you just have to pay 19% corporate tax and that's it
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Good stuff, to see you did put in some work with regards the feedbacks and pointers received .

with regards to verotel sending in settlements into bitsafe, you could as well look at a few threads on the forum inrelation to bitsafe so as to obtain more valuable insight,user feedback on its workings etc..

inline with taxes in general reachout to @Sols @Martin Everson @azb1
you would sure get valuable advice and steps to take with regards scenarios of taxes etc and how to go about it..

do get a Mentor group subscription as well, so as to access numerous threads covering processors,taxes, guides to setups and much more......

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Bluevelvet said:
I do, thats why I know what payment processors they use, but have no idea how to find out what country they registered their websites
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Do those websites have Terms of Service or something like that? Usually the companies are mentioned there. Or try to go through the payment process and see if a company is there.
 
Butcher82 said:
The website is provided by All Things Group Ltd, Fort Business Centre, CBD 1050, Malta.

https://www.allthingsworn.com/terms-conditions
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Wow i didnt notice that lol, does that mean they're incorporated in Malta? Malta is apart of EEA, and allthingsworn uses Verotel, so that makes sense.

Could you find out where pantydeal is incorporated? Also could you find out snifffr.com where they are incorporated? Terms & Conditions - snifffr

Snifffr and pantydeal both use ccbill, and allthingsworn uses Verotel which is EU only.
 
Butcher82 said:
Yep

Probably somewhere in Australia, it is in their TOS.

"These Terms shall be governed and construed in accordance with the laws of Bulgaria"
So Bulgaria probably 🙂
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I appreciate it lmao, seems stupid to ask now, I never saw their countries mentioned as i was too lazy to read all that s**t


Anyway, do you know where they get that wall of text to paste on their TOS? Surely they are not writing that up themselves. I wanna know so I can do the same for my site
 
You gotta do your homework, pal. 🙂 Just copy everything from the competitors and add your twist. Best way for the start.
By the way, didn't know that used pantys are a good business. Need to think about that. LOL
 
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