Easiest countries for perpetual travelers to acquire a TIN and utility bill?

[beachftss]

I noticed quite a few perpetual travelers here.

The problem these days being a PT is acquiring a TIN/utility bill for bank account reasons.

Does anyone know some countries where it's super fast, easy and cheap to acquire a TIN/utility bill?

 

[void]

beachftss said:
I noticed quite a few perpetual travelers here.

The problem these days being a PT is acquiring a TIN/utility bill for bank account reasons.

Does anyone know some countries where it's super fast, easy and cheap to acquire a TIN/utility bill?
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I guess you should be more specific about the purpose.
In general you can go for example to Mauritius, voluntarily register as self employed and become local tax resident immediately. Renting a place and getting utility bill is piece of cake. They will happily take flat 15% tax on your worldwide income (unless DTT says something else - the list countries was quite sparse if I remember correctly). Two years old info from local tax lawyer.

 

[beachftss]

void said:
I guess you should be more specific about the purpose.
In general you can go for example to Mauritius, voluntarily register as self employed and become local tax resident immediately. Renting a place and getting utility bill is piece of cake. They will happily take flat 15% tax on your worldwide income (unless DTT says something else - the list countries was quite sparse if I remember correctly). Two years old info from local tax lawyer.
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What if you aren't a seeking a tax residency but simply a TIN?

I read here that Georgia will give you a TIN without requiring you to register as a resident there. All you need to do is receive a package from abroad. Receiving a package from abroad automatically qualifies you for a TIN

 

[JohnnyDoe]

Getting a TIN in Italy as a non resident is easy.
For the utility bill, photoshop is your friend (or any pdf editor)

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[Samman Kaseeb Sleiman]

JohnnyDoe said:
Getting a TIN in Italy as a non resident is easy.
For the utility bill, photoshop is your friend (or any pdf editor)
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You're a dangerous man.

You should teach me your craft.

 

[JohnnyDoe]

Here is the official source for the Italian TIN: Individuals - Tax identification number for foreign citizens - Agenzia delle Entrate
In theory you can do that by yourself, in practice if you value your time and your mental health it's better to hire an accountant (“commercialista”) to do it for you. It will cost you 1-1.5k Eur.

Samman Kaseeb Sleiman said:
You're a dangerous man.
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A judge claimed the same, but I proved him wrong, so I'm officially not rof/%

Samman Kaseeb Sleiman said:
You should teach me your craft.
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It might be too dangerous for you smi(&%

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[Sols]

Turkey is another place where you can get a TIN and find an apartment to rent quite easily. Get a landline and internet connection to the apartment and you're set. Once you have a TIN, you can usually open a local bank account as well, if you want to do that.

Residence permit is more difficult, but not impossible.

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This is the probably the answer to your question.

 

[backpacker]

beachftss said:
I read here that Georgia will give you a TIN without requiring you to register as a resident there. All you need to do is receive a package from abroad. Receiving a package from abroad automatically qualifies you for a TIN
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First of all, the postal package you receive must attract taxes. Not all packages do that, it depends on the value and the stuff you import. So far to the obvious.

Now to the not so obvious: This is a customs-TIN which has nothing to do with a "normal" TIN.
A customs-TIN can only be used for import purposes. You do not get a RS online account, you will not get a Tax Certificate, you do not get a "real" TIN. If you give out amcustoms-TIN and claim it to be your personal TIN it would be the same like giving out a made-up number - fraud!
Moreover, a customs-TIN is not compatible with any registration system. The format of a customs-TIN differs from a "real"(normal) TIN - it can be spotted easily.
Btw., you would get the very same customs-TIN when entering Georgia via land/air/sea with goods that attract customs duty.

So, do yourself a favour and forget about it.

Speaking of Georgia, you can still go for the dubious HNWI-program. Probably the cheapest on the Planet.
Caveat: -> Digital Nomad / Perpetual Traveller - 0% tax with US LLC

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[void]

JohnnyDoe said:
Getting a TIN in Italy as a non resident is easy.
For the utility bill, photoshop is your friend (or any pdf editor)
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you're right, this is the easiest - you can obtain Italian Codice Fiscale (TIN) completely online by submitting the form on the website of (probably any) Italian embassy (easiest in your country because you don't have to declare some additional docs) - tested a few times (took from 2 days to one week)

but it doesn't make anyone Italian tax resident which I understood is the goal of OP

 

[JackAlabama]

void said:
you're right, this is the easiest - you can obtain Italian Codice Fiscale (TIN) completely online by submitting the form on the website of (probably any) Italian embassy (easiest in your country because you don't have to declare some additional docs) - tested a few times (took from 2 days to one week)

but it doesn't make anyone Italian tax resident which I understood is the goal of OP
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Same is true for Spain and getting their N.I.E. That tax cattle tracking code is very easy to get as well.
No tax obligation are constructed by having this code.

 

[void]

JackAlabama said:
Same is true for Spain and getting their N.I.E. That tax cattle tracking code is very easy to get as well.
No tax obligation are constructed by having this code.
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true, but you have to go personally to the Spanish embassy and have a "good enough" reason (intention to buy a property in Spain was enough for me)

 

[Fred]

Well we served a lot of PT with the Dubai Company Formation which comes along with the Dubai Residence Visa and local Dubai Bank Accounts.

When a Bank asks you for TIN you can claime that you don't have one and the reason for that is that the Country doesn't issue TIN.

We could get this way very straighforward banking done for PT which sometimes even didn't had any bank account.

Due to the fact that UAE is meanwhile widley recognized you have even a lot EMI's accepting you with Dubai Residence and the above mentioned TIN circumstances.

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[Oakgrove]

@JohnnyDoe sorry for the slight OT, does Codice Fiscale actually expire (for non-Italian/non-EU citizens)? Somehow got a CF number when purchasing a TIM prepaid SIM card in 2011 (when I was there), used it to open a bank account (successfully but then somehow they closed it) in 2018 and last year the CF number kept failing a few website (such as Poste Italiana) validation check. Curious if I should re-apply for the CF... Thx - Grazie!

 

[void]

Oakgrove said:
@JohnnyDoe sorry for the slight OT, does Codice Fiscale actually expire (for non-Italian/non-EU citizens)? Somehow got a CF number when purchasing a TIM prepaid SIM card in 2011 (when I was there), used it to open a bank account (successfully but then somehow they closed it) in 2018 and last year the CF number kept failing a few website (such as Poste Italiana) validation check. Curious if I should re-apply for the CF... Thx - Grazie!
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it doesn't expire

 

[JohnnyDoe]

Oakgrove said:
@JohnnyDoe sorry for the slight OT, does Codice Fiscale actually expire (for non-Italian/non-EU citizens)? Somehow got a CF number when purchasing a TIM prepaid SIM card in 2011 (when I was there), used it to open a bank account (successfully but then somehow they closed it) in 2018 and last year the CF number kept failing a few website (such as Poste Italiana) validation check. Curious if I should re-apply for the CF... Thx - Grazie!
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The CF never expires. It can be validated directly online here: Verifica codice fiscale di persona fisica o di soggetto diverso da persona fisicaVerifica del codice fiscale di persona fisica o di soggetto diverso da persona fisica
This is not just a checksum so you can verify your own CF.
It sounds very strange that it failed validation on a few websites, as those usually just check its checksum. Are you sure you entered it correctly? (For example a O instead of a zero is a typical error). Most of the times one can use a fake CF just correctly calculated.

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[Oakgrove]

@JohnnyDoe Thanks - I always always copy/paste so never a chance of typo. 🙂 Maybe it's the Poste Italiana website that's kaput, but 'll check again the next time I try to open an Italian bank account .... or trying to get an IT IBAN...because ppl there don't care about the rule against IBAN discrimination, and it's hard to get an IBAN there if you don't have an Italian ID (or non-EU for that matter) - unless you know of a trick?

 

[JohnnyDoe]

Oakgrove said:
@JohnnyDoe Thanks - I always always copy/paste so never a chance of typo. 🙂 Maybe it's the Poste Italiana website that's kaput, but 'll check again the next time I try to open an Italian bank account .... or trying to get an IT IBAN...because ppl there don't care about the rule against IBAN discrimination, and it's hard to get an IBAN there if you don't have an Italian ID (or non-EU for that matter) - unless you know of a trick?
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I know for sure that plenty of people in the South open accounts with Poste Italiane (Postepay) using fake IDs that are total rubbish, but they do so in person. I don't think that anything in the Poste website works properly”¦ better you pop in a physical office next time your are in Italy.

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