Russian President Putin announces military operation in Ukraine
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Like I have said twice already, Bandera was locked in a German concentration camp when the concrete decision to massacre the Poles was made and when the Poles were actually killed. Nothing that you cited says otherwise. And even if he did what you say he did, it still does not prove that he was a n**i.
So, this is now the third time that I have cited that actual fact, which is now a part of history. The Germans always kept great records, so that point is not in dispute.
That is an actual fact. You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to your own invented facts.
Would you have studied history you would have known it was proofen he was the key decission maker for that massacre for which he has been internationaly held accountable.
You really should learn history instead posting your opinion about history since you are writing a completly new history out of your imaginary
Then post your evidence, just like I did. That way, people can weigh all the evidence. Very simple. Instead, you make baseless claims without offering any proof.
But my real point is that the vast majority of people working with the Germans against the Soviet occupation were simply nationalist patriots, not Nazis. They worked with the Germans to keep their nations free of the invading Soviet monsters. And that point is still true regardless of what Bandera did.
Even if Bandera did everything that you say he did, it makes him a mass murderer -- but not a n**i.
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You need to understand that every pro-russian fellows here from bahamas to russia do not distinguish n**i, nationalits, patriots about Ukraine. Everyone are n**i in eyes of those 'smart' debaters and you can't change anything.
It's a simplier for them and create bigger fear about 'n**i problem'.
That allow to jusity war/civil henocide or even call a n**i HALF MILLION russian-speaking civil people stucked in Mariupol.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022...s-evacuations-after-failing-to-reach-mariupol
”˜Impossible to proceed': Red Cross halts Mariupol evacuation
ICRC says it was forced to turn a ”˜safe passage convoy' around after failing to reach trapped civilians as fighting intensifies in the southern city.
”˜Impossible to proceed': Red Cross halts Mariupol evacuation
ICRC says it was forced to turn a ”˜safe passage convoy' around after failing to reach trapped civilians as fighting intensifies in the southern city.
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@Martin Everson does a terrific job here, he is actually trying to mediate between the debaters who take this discussion a bit too seriously and who leak a little too many emotions in their personal attitudes. I see no reason to delete some posts unless a clear explanation can be given as to why one or the other thread should be removed.
5 posts from the same user have been reported right now! I believe all MODs can see them, if it is not my fault and not theirs I apologize and work on the case.
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You are too emotionally attached to the topic that you cannot see the wood for the trees. You get civilians being shrink wrapped to lamp posts and various other humanitarian crimes and you lot are like "Ah Putin killed a journalist 3 years ago, don't forget!"
I have zero emotionality to it, I have no ties to Ukraine or Russia other than working with several freelancers in both countries and I get on fine with both nations when I've visited, they are all, in the main, decent people.
However, I am looking at what is happening on the ground and the stuff I am seeing from the Ukrainian side i.e. the Zelinksky regime, SBU and those far-right battalions/mercenaries is horrifying so that's what I post on. There is zero chance I can support that.
Sadly some Ukrainian civilians and people in this thread are so hypnotised by propaganda and the narrative that they either support these actions, try to defend them, or simply ignore them. It's the same reason we saw people driving in their cars, alone, no passengers, wearing a mask to protect themselves. Look up Desmet's thesis and it's happening again here, well described also by Hannah Arendt. We see it repeating here, how could so many usually decent people go along with such atrocities? Mass formation.
Are there going to be Russian units committing crimes? Absolutely, it happens in all wars. But from a birds-eye view, this has been a careful operation done to try and minimise civilians casualties. Let's face it, Russia could blow Ukraine to pieces, as the USA did with Iraq, Libya etc. Instead, they've taken a much different approach.
It's a good that after more than month of war you finally agreed on committing russia's civil crimes.
I just wanted to remember, that some time ago you said: "Every bit of info regarding bombing civilians gets debunked within 24 hours"
Can we finally admit the US' and some of the western EU countries civilian crimes in Irak, for instance? And how about the crimes against civilians in other countries in the Middle East too?
There is a huge difference between war crimes committed by individual soldiers or units without any authorization from their command structure -- versus a command structure that orders its soldiers to commit war crimes or that does nothing to stop them once it has knowledge of ongoing war crimes.
That is the difference between rogue regimes and Western nations. This is nothing new. The same thing happened in WWII with many Soviet war crimes, atrocities, mass murders, and mass raping.
So the US and some EU countries did autrocities to the Middle Eastern people, BUT they were doing that with good intentions and nice TV/news propaganda? That's why that's nothing bad? That makes sense.
There're people in both cases in Ukraine and Middle East.
No difference.
Therefore, before judging other countries, why don't you try to apply the same judgents to your own country first?
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Why don't you re-read what I actually stated. It is very clear.
It is the difference between a rogue police officer who rousts black men (and gets disciplined or fired if he gets caught) -- and institutionalized racism throughout an entire police force whose racism operates with the knowledge and consent of the police chief and all his subordinates.
So, if you can understand that simple analogy, now re-read what I stated earlier:
There is a huge difference between war crimes committed by individual soldiers or units without any authorization from their command structure -- versus a command structure that orders its soldiers to commit war crimes or that does nothing to stop them once it has knowledge of ongoing war crimes.
This is a very simple concept. Quite elemental. I don't see why you cannot understand the clear contrast between these two positions. Perhaps you come from a culture where all elements of society are so thoroughly corrupt that you can see no distinction, because everyone in government is so dishonest and unprincipled. If so, that is very sad. It is the difference between institutionalized savagery and civilization.
No matter what you'll post here, the fact that US and western EU bombed Middle Eastern countries will remain.
Mere arguments do not constitute fact. According to international law, bombing is not a war crime unless military forces purposely target civilians for no reason. Try educating yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeria...xt=Article 6(b) of the,making it a war crime.
Russia has purposely targeted residential neighborhoods in Ukraine with no military or strategic value.
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What are you talking about? Russia attacked an independent country, hiding behind what is unclear. What can be justification for Russia? Watch their TV shows, watch their bloggers, talk to their people - they would really love to conquer EVERYTHING up to Portugal at least. They must be stopped. Yes, I am also not a fan of Biden, the United States, their democracy and other things. BUT in this situation, I would be glad if the USA would simply destroy this peace-hating Russian regime with this Kremlin
And now, like many other Ukrainians, I cannot return to my home, as the f*cking Russian soldier is trampling my land with his smelly boot
He's employed by RT, so there's no way he's gonna say anything negative about Russia. Just saying.
Proof, more of proof, more of proof....
No matter what you'll post here, the fact that US and western EU bombed Middle Eastern countries will remain.
No matter what you'll post here, the fact that US and western EU bombed Middle Eastern countries will remain.
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