Trading arm UK LLP owned and operated by Nevis operated digitally - Tax Question

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Continuing -> created Nevis LTD company.

Nevis generally is treated like social siberia in the banking world due to the countless MLM's etc that have used, though not as harsly as Belize.

Nevis will hold assets (IP) will own a subsidiary (Research) and will hold a UK LLC (revenues).

Revenues will operate through LLP but the LLP is owned by a Nevis company and revenues will be outside of the UK (Caymans).


So there should be no tax on the LLP transactions unless I am mistaken as neither the Nevis company nor I reside in the UK, further the transactions won't occur in the UK, but will operate under the UK LLP 'trading name:. LLP UK | Limited Liability Partnership UK - UK LLP Registration & Formation

The essential feature of a LLP is that it combines the organisational flexibility and tax status of a partnership while providing limited liability for its members. This limited liability is possible because an LLP has a legal ”˜personality' that is separate from its members.

However LLPs are ”˜tax transparent', which means that each member, rather than the partnership itself, will be assessed to tax on their share of the LLP's income or gains. Any non-UK source profits or gains made by an LLP will not be subject to UK tax unless the members are UK resident individuals or companies.

There are no restrictions on the tax residence or nationality of the members of an LLP. Therefore, if the members of the LLP are non-resident and its income is non-UK sourced, the LLP itself will not be subject to UK taxation.

In determining residence status, a UK LLP would be deemed resident in the jurisdiction from which it is controlled, which would ordinarily be the jurisdiction in which its members are situated. There is an obligation for an LLP to file an annual partnership tax return whether the partners are taxed or not.

It should be noted that LLPs with overseas members cannot generally avail themselves of treaty benefits because of the LLP's tax transparent status.
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Unless I am mistaken?

For the Second shareholder would a separate jurisdiction be best for the LLP?

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A UK LLP is generally a pass-through vehicle, i.e. taxation of income of the LLP is attributed to the partners. What you suggest appears workable and as described. However you mention the LLP holding another subsidiary that does not appear on your chart.
What ia the reason you want the LLP there? For reputational/banking purposes?
 
Reputation mainly”¦ though I've been informed a trust is not essential.

Trying to separate assets because I've had experience previously in respect of literati on tying up IP.

Further there's a wing of the company that is to have tangible assets transferred to for investment purposes.

I.e the chief corp will make funds disposable to one of the LLCs for investment utilizing IP/technology from another company.
 
Who do you had to help you with the setup of all these entities?
 
Not sure if this structure is for privacy or to eliminate tax. Tax wise it does not work. Where is the place of management and control of the Belize and Nevis companies? Or where are the directors based?

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Martin Everson said:
Not sure if this structure is for privacy or to eliminate tax. Tax wise it does not work. Where is the place of management and control of the Belize and Nevis companies? Or where are the directors based?
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Tax haven (funds not brought into the country in the first 12 months proceeding are not taxable).

Lastly it's a a tech company so will have substance in a number of countries.
 
wellington said:
Tax haven (funds not brought into the country in the first 12 months proceeding are not taxable).
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So directors are in a tax haven? If that is case then why you need a complex structure and why not just setup in place directors reside?


wellington said:
Lastly it's a a tech company so will have substance in a number of countries.
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Like what countries? Where is substance located for those companies you showed in diagram?

Belize and Nevis companies are offshore companies and do not have a place of management and control in those countries. Hence they are taxed in place of directors. If your saying directors are based in tax haven then ok. But then why bother with all this?

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wellington said:
Reputation mainly”¦ though I've been informed a trust is not essential.

Trying to separate assets because I've had experience previously in respect of literati on tying up IP.

Further there's a wing of the company that is to have tangible assets transferred to for investment purposes.

I.e the chief corp will make funds disposable to one of the LLCs for investment utilizing IP/technology from another company.
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Hm..i can see a more straightforward and more "acceptable" structure you may be interested to consider. That is a Cyprus company qualifying for the IP Box regime. This structure could in a best case scenario quailify the company for 2% in total corporate taxes. Dividends distributed to shareholder carry 0% withholding tax at the same time due to the nature of operation of such a company substance requirements would not be much burdensome. Licensing can take place from this CY co to third parties. Implementing this properly by evidencing local R&D would result to a solid structure.
 
Martin Everson said:
So directors are in a tax haven? If that is case then why you need a complex structure and why not just setup in place directors reside?




Like what countries? Where is substance located for those companies you showed in diagram?

Belize and Nevis companies are offshore companies and do not have a place of management and control in those countries. Hence they are taxed in place of directors. If your saying directors are based in tax haven then ok. But then why bother with all this?
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I set up a multi-million dollar company in the country i reside and a few years later... the government fucked us when covid occurred, locking villages down for 6 months, not towns, not cities, not provinces, you can imagine what that did to a high-powered data processing data centre... without even considering the maintenance failure on the building it was housed in.

Basically I'm left with the hardware (which i can't ship out), but have the architecture/software/IP, after laying off and paying all the staff 6 months salary to go min, severing ties and our associations with academia in the country.

I am there now looking at establishing in Europe, and still retaining multiple satellite staff/data sites etc.

Hence how it is complex, as i am British owning something in the UK directly can be argued against my non-resident status.

I previously had 60 highly qualified staff, I am not doing this as a 'single owner company' with '1' employee, nor am i looking for anything remotely shady. lastly as the formed corp will be managing 'private wealth' which is injected into the corp it will need to be in a legitimate country with legitimate setup and no 'hiding' of who the company is and who operates it.

Lastly you pay tax for funds brought into the country the same year (12 months) - any divided/salary etc has to come 12 calendar months after and then its tax free.
 
Sorry what has anything you said got to do with substance in Belize and Nevis that I was asking about? What benefit do you think they serve being in your structure if there is no substance in those jurisdictions?

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Martin Everson said:
Sorry what has anything you said got to do with substance in Belize and Nevis that I was asking about? What benefit do you think they serve being in your structure if there is no substance in those jurisdictions?
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-> If your saying directors are based in tax haven then ok. But then why bother with all this?

Responding to that.


Lawyer101 said:
Hm..i can see a more straightforward and more "acceptable" structure you may be interested to consider. That is a Cyprus company qualifying for the IP Box regime. This structure could in a best case scenario quailify the company for 2% in total corporate taxes. Dividends distributed to shareholder carry 0% withholding tax at the same time due to the nature of operation of such a company substance requirements would not be much burdensome. Licensing can take place from this CY co to third parties. Implementing this properly by evidencing local R&D would result to a solid structure.
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Cyprus is a no go, looked at it, would require residency for a period of time, and I can live in any country as it is and there's a lot of tax free nations, which i have zero interest in living in or changing my current life style, otherwise i'd just move to soulless Dubai.

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wellington said:
-> If your saying directors are based in tax haven then ok. But then why bother with all this?

Responding to that.

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Ok but respond to substance of Nevis and Belize companies I also asked.

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AMD said:
Who do you had to help you with the setup of all these entities?
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Have multiple separate entities (agents) that we used previously for the prior (now semi-defunct) corporation remnants.

Martin Everson said:
Ok but respond to substance of Nevis and Belize companies I also asked.
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Belize is a South American nation, separate subsidiary there that is for investment purposes.
Kitts no substance yet, and if there is substance then there is tax liabilities.

In Belize, the Income and Business Tax Act of Belize was amended in December 2019 removing tax exemptions on foreign-source income received by International Business Companies (Belize Corporations).

Belize IBCs are currently subject to a 1.75% tax of the chargeable revenue amounting to a sum greater than BZD 3 million, or 3% of the chargeable income amounting to a sum lesser than BZD 3 million. Note that tax is applied to gross revenue (deductible expenses do not apply).

Belize IBCs are required to submit tax returns and pay taxes annually, if they are not tax residents outside of Belize (which should be proven in the form of tax return or tax residence certificate from an overseas country).

Furthermore, the Belize IBC may be deemed to be carrying on an intellectual property business for the purposes of the Economic Substance Act, 2019.

Note that these generally apply to companies that are generating identifiable revenue from IP assets (as opposed to a company that uses its IP to carry on its regular commercial non-IP activity).

This means that Belize companies that are not tax resident elsewhere and are planning to exploit IP rights will need to:
  • conduct their core income-generating activities in Belize (IP development, marketing, distribution)
  • be directed and managed from within Belize (local board meetings, local directors)
  • have an adequate amount of operating expenditures incurred in or from within Belize
  • have an adequate physical presence (including maintaining a place of business or plant, property, and equipment) in Belize
  • have an adequate number of full-time employees or other personnel with appropriate qualifications in Belize

The company could also potentially qualify as a ”˜high-risk intellectual property business', which consists of companies that are exploiting IP rights and:
  • have not created such IP; and
  • have acquired the IP from a company of the same group structure or from a third-party that has conducted research and development out of the country of incorporation.; and
  • licenses the IP to a company(s) of the same group,
or does not carry out R&D, branding or distribution as part of its local core income-generating activities

These companies are subject to enhanced substance requirements. They will be presumed not to have met the economic substance test by default and will need to rebut this presumption. The economic substance and consequently reporting requirements are considerably high.

A considered ”˜high-risk intellectual property business' needs to produce materials to explain how the development, enhancement, maintenance, protection and exploitation functions have been under its control and the involvement of personnel who are highly skilled and perform their core activities locally.

Documentation that needs to be provided periodically includes detailed business plans that clearly lay out the commercial rationale for holding the intellectual property assets in the jurisdiction, concrete evidence that the decision-making is taking place in the jurisdiction, and information on employees in the jurisdiction, their experience, their contractual terms, qualifications and length of service.

Please note that the International Limited Liability Companies Act (ILLCA) still provides for a tax exemption for International LLCs, and international LLCs are not caught by the Economic Substance Act.

In Nevis, as provided in the Income Tax (Amendment) Act, 2021, a Nevis company which is not controlled and managed from Nevis and that does not have a permanent establishment in Nevis, is not subject to taxes in Nevis.

A company that is controlled and managed from within Nevis shall be tax resident in Nevis and subject to 33% corporate tax on its worldwide income.

A company that is not tax resident in Nevis, but does have any of the following in Nevis, it would constitute a permanent establishment in Nevis, and income arising from such establishment subject to 33% corporate tax in Nevis.

A permanent establishment can be constituted if -
  • the company has a place of business, place of management, a branch, an office in Nevis (e.g. employees working in Nevis); and/or
  • the company has a dependent agent in Nevis who regularly exercises the authority to conclude contracts on behalf of the company in or from within Nevis.
There are other situations where a permanent establishment may be constituted such as construction sites, exploitation of mines, etc., which may not apply to your specific business activity.

All Nevis companies must submit an annual tax return regardless of whether they are subject to taxes or not. Accounts do not need to be submitted.

Therefore, it is relevant to understand where the Nevis company would be a tax resident of or whether it would constitute a permanent establishment outside of Nevis.

There is another relevant aspect which is where the intellectual property will be used. You mention that the LLPs will not be operated from within the UK. If the LLP constitutes a permanent establishment outside of the UK, one needs to understand whether withholding taxes on payment of royalties from such a permanent establishment to Nevis or Belize will be subject to withholding tax.

You also need to consider whether you have existing private banking relationships that can support such structure. You are proposing a substantially complex structure which completely lacks economic rationale, and whose corporate layers are incorporated in very opaque jurisdictions, and therefore, it will be deemed of very high risk for most banks. If you do not have existing private banking relationships, it will be substantially complex to open bank accounts for each corporate layer of the structure. For mid-size and large banks to onboard such structure, in principle, at least a relationship of EUR/USD/CHF 5,000,000 would be requested by the bank - and even in small offshore banks it would be complex to get accounts.

You also need to consider that when it comes to person of significant control filing with the UK Companies House, you may still be deemed as the person of significant control and therefore, your details made public. We suggest you reading guidance about PSC at PSC requirements for companies and limited liability partnerships

When it comes to the trust, in order to better assist you, could you kindly provide more details about -
  • whether the trust shall be discretionary or non-discretionary
  • whether the trust shall be revocable or irrevocable
  • description of the assets that will need to be held in trust
  • nationality and tax residency of the settlors, controllers of the trustee (only if private trust company, see below), protectors, and the beneficiaries
  • relationship between settlors and beneficiaries (e.g. children)
Please note that the Trustee of a Cook Islands trust may be either -
  • a professional trustee (licensed trust company)
  • a private trust company

A Private Trust Company is a company that is set up exclusively to act as Trustee. For instance, if you wish to appoint a non-regulated person as Trustee, we could set up a Private Trust Company in the Cook Islands (it should be in the form of an International Company in the Cook Islands) to act as Trustee of the Structure. Alternatively, a Professional Trustee can be provided to manage the assets of the Trust.

A Professional Trustee is a company who is issued a Trust Company License, and is regulated and supervised by the Financial Supervisory Commission.

The turnaround time for settling the Trust would largely depend on the number of revisions required for the Trust Deed. Considering that 1 or 2 revisions are requested, the Trust may be settled within around 2 weeks. Incorporating a Private Trust Company generally takes one week (which can be done simultaneously while preparing the Trust Deed).

The underlying trust fund of a Cook Islands Trust is generally structured as a Cook Islands LLC.

LLCs are a construct of US law. They are a hybrid between a partnership and a corporation. Like companies limited by shares (and unlike partnerships), LLCs have legal personality and the liability of its members is limited up to the (unpaid) capital commitment, whereas, like partnerships (and unlike companies limited by shares) ”“ LLCs are governed by a contract between the members (the LLC Agreement). Cayman's LLC Act is flexible in terms of how the LLC shall be governed, leaving most of its terms up to the LLC Agreement concluded between the members, much in the same way as with LPs and their LP Agreements.

LLCs' ownership is divided into membership interests. LLCs affairs are managed by a board of managers who is generally elected by the members of the LLC. As advised above, the LLC agreement is the governing document of the LLC, governing the terms of the LLC and the rights, obligations of and overall relationship between the members. The LLC Act provides greater discretion to the members of the LLC on how such LLC ”“ as opposed to more rigid statutes applicable to companies limited by shares.

For instance, matters such as capital accounts and variation of economic entitlements between different classes of members, among others ”“ are generally more simply adapted and/or managed according to the needs of the members than in companies limited by shares.

Furthermore, the LLC agreement may limit and/or eliminate managers' fiduciary duties to the LLC (unlike directors of companies limited by shares, who have a fiduciary duty towards the company)

LLCs also provide for greater asset protection given creditors cannot seize or force a sale of the member's interest. Nor can the member's creditor vote the interest of the debtor-member. Furthermore, a Cook Islands LLC provides charging order protection. A charging order impedes a creditor to become a member of the LLC, being statutorily forbidden from accessing assets of the LLC. Instead a creditor may only get a charging order which entitles him or her to only distributions made from the LLC to you, the debtor and that's only if and when distributions are made.

From a tax perspective, LLCs are fully exempt from taxes, whereas International Companies (corporations) are subject to tax at 20% on their income. Please note that taxation may not be relevant when an International Company acts as Trustee, as generally no trustee fees are paid out to such PTC (a PTC does not conduct Trust business with the public).

^ What one of our agents have come back with
 
wellington said:
Belize is a South American nation, separate subsidiary there that is for investment purposes.
Kitts no substance yet, and if there is substance then there is tax liabilities.
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Ok so no substance in those structures? Correct me if I am wrong. This makes them a waste of time then.

Where are you resident? A offshore trust may also be a waste of time but as you said its not essential.

wellington said:
Hence how it is complex, as i am British owning something in the UK directly can be argued against my non-resident status.
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If all this complexity to avoid problems with HMRC then your more likely to draw their attention with such a structure if anything.

I am happy to make suggestions.

You can start normally by structuring your needs into 3 points below which can help make it clear. Otherwise it becomes a game of 20 questions to try and understand why certain parts exist in the structure.

1. What you want to achieve?
2. Why you want to do it?
3. What you want to avoid?

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Martin Everson said:
Ok so no substance in those structures? Correct me if I am wrong. This makes them a waste of time then.
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Define substance.

Belize - Own's technology, owns subsidiary which has staff that is for investment purposes.
Kitts is a IP holding company (no decision on other uses but likely a subsidiary with a few employee's for finance related).

HMRC can't legally do anything - I am non resident 10yrs + and resident of a country that does not tax for income, gains outside of the country not brought to the country for 12 months on earning/receiving.

If a British person creates a link in the UK (UK Corp for example) that allocates a % towards their position as being 'in the UK' - can't remember the specifics but its irrelevant.

Family 1
Company 1

That would be the only allocated reasons for claiming i am tax resident in the UK, and they would not meet the criteria bench mark.

You seem to be looking at this purely from a house of cards to avoid tax.

It's not, each company is to have subsidiaries for specific reasons for specific access to specific markets.

Same as you open a US LLC or similar to access US Financial Markets directly within the US.
You open corporations based on where your intended business activities will be, be they staffing, investment, research, development, client focused etc.

Or where reputation is best -> UK For regulatory, banking, international reputation of company though not actively involve in the UK, or doing business in the UK, but interacting with Caymans's outside of the UK, using UK currency but not UK banks.

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I've gone ahead with what I want, but that was decided last evening as i had been poking around on here for months, weeks, and not seeming to get any response that made sense and most of the posts were clearly about tax evasion not tax avoidance 😀 from how i interpreted a lot of them...

I can't see any other method that will resolve what i'm looking for.
 
wellington said:
Define substance.
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For Belize they have defined it all in their 2019 Economic Substance Act you can read to get an idea.


wellington said:
Belize - Own's technology, owns subsidiary which has staff that is for investment purposes.
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So there are people on ground in Belize working for this company? Is there a place in Belize where people conduct work on behalf of the company?

wellington said:
Kitts is a IP holding company (no decision on other uses but likely a subsidiary with a few employee's for finance related).
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Again are employees in St Kitts? It does not count if they are employed by St Kitts company but working from Timbuktu sadly.

wellington said:
HMRC can't legally go anything - I am non resident 10yrs +

If a British person creates a link in the UK (UK Corp for example) that allocates a % towards their position as being 'in the UK' - can't remember the specifics but its irrelevant.
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I have talked about standard UK residency test on here years ago and its not really relevant in grand scheme. Tax nexus is least of your worries. You say your British but you don't say where your currently resident. So where is that?

wellington said:
You seem to be looking at this purely from a house of cards to avoid tax.

It's not, each company is to have subsidiaries for specific reasons for specific access to specific markets.
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No I am looking for tin pot shell companies registered in offshore location with no substance. In line with BEPS Action 5 most countries have enacted substance tests even Belize.

wellington said:
I've gone ahead with what I want, but that was decided last evening as i had been poking around on here for months, weeks, and not seeming to get any response.
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Ok that's your decision of course. I am just pointing out the obvious flaws. Agents are too quick to sell you something that will not work for a quick buck unfortunately.

I think what you ultimately will have is two shell companies that are not tax resident in Nevis or Belize but instead are in their place of operation which is home country of director unless another place of operation has been explicitly defined. Normally agent will ask you to provide place of operation or automatically just use directors home address sadly.

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