Made a HUGE mistake in my life, Need Serious Advice (long post warning)

[Jacksonhole]

Bingo! Been there, done that, and‍ came out unscathed on the other side to certify that this is solid advice. It⁠ works.

There is nothing immoral about just removing yourself from an iffy situation or trumped-up⁤ charges. The way I see it: If you didn't do the crime, you shouldn't do⁣ the time.

Can relate.

Not to derail the thread,︁ but do you know how they deal with paperwork once their passports expire? Obviously the︂ goal of their home country is for those citizens to be summarily deported back after︃ they are purposely left stranded without valid papers abroad.

They can't claim to be stateless.︄ Because technically, they do have a nationality. They just can't prove it with any valid︅ paperwork, which their own state deprived them of.

 

[jafo]

This is NOT exclusive to your country. We have this even in the transparent‍ West with all of its "rule of law", but it is repackaged "differently" and it⁠ costs a LOT MORE than yours could ever cost 😉

I Was Alabama’s Top Judge. I’m⁤ Ashamed by What I Had to Do to Get There. How money is ruining America’s⁣ courts. By SUE BELL COBB, chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court. March/April 2015

 

[Peter Taradash]

With regards to Brazil, if one has a child there (even by adoption!) Brazil by‌ law won't extradite anyone who supports a local child. But IMO merely keeping a low‍ profile and not being on any official records is the best policy for a P.T.⁠ There's a process called "Rendition" by which any country can expel anyone for pretty much⁤ any reason. Most people think in terms of Extradition, but rendition happens much more often,⁣ and non-citizens can be kicked out of a country very easily on any flimsy pretext.⁢ Thus, it is advisable not to make any enemies and to blend in & be︀ as invisible as possible ...

You can't avoid having an entry passport stamp USUALLY, but︁ Brazil is pretty lackadaisical in this respect. I entered Brazil on a cruise boat and︂ none of the passengers were stamped upon entry and nobody cared. I came in again︃ via walking over on the bridge from Paraguay at the famous Iguazu Waterfalls and again,︄ no stamp, no border control at all.

PS: "It costs a lot of money or︅ it requires a lot of political pressure to convict an innocent person in a corrupted︆ legal system, no policeman would manufacture evidence against you just because he has nothing else︇ to do."
Wow, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!
I personally know a lot of people &︈ have had a lot of consulting clients who managed to get an individual cop mad︉ at them for minor reasons like dating the cop's ex-girlfriend. Personally, I once outbid an︊ influential person at an auction & was caused years of trouble... Same with spurning a︋ vindictive woman.

It takes very little to nothing for an innocent to be accused and︌ convicted of a crime in most places including the USA. Often the situation is like︍ one of the current accusations vs. Donald Trump. He is charged with FRAUD because he︎ overestimated his net worth or the value of some property compared to the official government️ value. What nonsense. The taxable value of real estate in most places is a small‌ fraction of its value for insurance coverage, bank loans, or asking prices when put up‍ for sale... Anyone in the real estate game ALWAYS puts a high value on their⁠ holdings when going for a bank loan. The bank has its own appraisers. Calling that⁤ a fraud is a stretch.

If a very rich ex-president and presidential candidate can be⁣ criminally accused, come on, you don't think that you are at risk? The concept of⁢ "Prosecutorial Discretion" means that anyone can be singled out, prosecuted, and jailed even if thousands︀ of other people are doing the same thing and given a pass. The laws today︁ in the USA and many other places mean that almost everyone commits a dozen felonies︂ every single day. Possibly up to 50% of everyone in jail shouldn't be there! That's︃ my rant & 2c for today. Peter Taradash (PT)

 

[Revoltec]

Keep in mind that once you become an Argentinian citizen, there is no way‍ to get rid of that citizenship.
They probably just issue this passport︁ that is valid for only one trip at the embassy, and that trip would be︂ back to Belarus.

 

[drysky]

Just look at what happened in Thailand when the son of the red bull empire‌ killed a cop in a drunk hit and run. He fled to singapore waited for‍ charges to expire, then to London etc.
Run...

 

[Jacksonhole]

This is⁠ the case of Vorayuth "Boss" Yoovidhya who ran and let his lawyers run out the⁤ clock.

From The Bangkok Post: through his lawyers, he put off hearing charges seven times.⁣ It took nearly five years before prosecutors finally charged him with reckless driving causing death⁢ and failing to stop and help a crash victim.
He fled two days before he︀ was due to face the charges.
A speeding charge was later dropped when the one-year︁ statute of limitations expired. The charge of failing to stop and render assistance expired on︂ Sept 3, 2017.

Another article about the case quotes: "The statute of limitation gives a︃ loophole for people who can flee to another country and just wait it out. You︄ have charges against you, you flee to another country and stay in that country until︅ the statute of limitation runs out, and you can come back and live a free︆ man."

 

[JackAlabama]

Well this is not really a "loophole"︄ - Its a form of punishment in itself, since one has to uproot itself and︅ leave everyone and everything behind.
This may or may not be easy for many (even︆ the digital nomads like going back home from time to time).
The punishment in itself︇ looks like of a lesser harsh form but it can be quite long like 10︈ years and oftentimes it requires one to get a new passport in the meantime bc︉ the old nation one cannot be renewed.

Also time heals all wounds so its only︊ natural after many years, charges should expire as everything changes.

 

[bingbong]

Hi PT yes I agree that︊ I should be acting quicker, it's in the works! As for the URL if you︋ want I can send it to you via PM? As it's my home country's immigration︌ website.

Meze, unfortunately it's true and there's a word here for it, that︋ means "treating you for a meal" in my country's language.

Like you mentioned, I'm currently︌ in a place that is filled with tourists year-round so they're accustomed to foreigners and︍ never have I been asked for papers. I'd like to work towards something long term︎ though, while my papers are still valid. Once it expires I'll be stuck, like forever.️

Yea I think the good thing the US is⁢ that corrupt as the gov. officials may be, the entire superstructure is upheld by the︀ facade of justice and equality under the law. At least the US has ideals (purportedly).︁ So if you manage to get enough exposure or press via social media on your︂ case they will likely buckle and do the right, or the popular thing if you︃ get social media on your side.

Whereas with Asia they don't care if the world︄ knows about it - like how Singapore recently murdered (Yes I'm using this word) its︅ citizen for the possession/sale(?) of marijuana, despite facing international pressure from human rights groups they︆ just went ahead with the hanging.

Asians' image that they're just weird and quirky helps︇ their government get away with anything, the world is like : "That's just how they︈ are"

Like how people laugh at North Koreans for clapping and crying when they see︉ their Supreme Leader but I bet they would have a different reaction if it were︊ a "normal" mainstream country. It's hard to explain but yea.

The thing is Jackson - I have done the time. They just keep coming.

Wouldn't this case warrant an Interpol "wanted" status though? As︁ it's a huge case. As far as I know Singapore's immigration is vacuum tight so︂ he must have entered through his own passport?

H Jack, yeah so at this point I'm not even thinking about it as punishment︋ or not, it's just a matter of self-preservation at this point - Like I said,︌ I'm ready tobe judged in the afterlife, but not by these corrupt court judges.

Going to prison changes your perspective on everything.

 

[Jacksonhole]

Completely agree. Not‌ a loophole. It is THE LAW and the law exists for a number of quite‍ good reasons, some of which were already pointed out. The word "loophole" was used in⁠ the original article I quoted -- but applying the statute of limitations shouldn't be seen⁤ as a Get Out of Jail Free card. Rather, it should be seen for what⁣ it is: Applying justice.

Countries without a statute of limitations, or where it is made⁢ conditional, are countries without true justice and not the kind of place you want to︀ be if you get targeted for something you didn't do. Rather than facing off against︁ a unjust system, move yourself out of harms way and settle where you can find︂ real justice: a place where the statute of limitations is law and the law is︃ followed.

Vorayuth "Boss" Yoovidhya had an Interpol Red Notice issued worldwide for his arrest not once,︅ but twice.

The way he got around that was by leaving the mess behind. Once︆ he was abroad, he kept his head down and made sure he wouldn't be found︇ -- at least not before running out the clock.

He became a fugitive wanted by︈ Interpol. His passport was revoked. Yet he still remained free and was able to beat︉ a serious charge involving the death of another human being. To this day, he has︊ never spent a single night in jail.

But as @JackAlabama points out in this thread,︋ it wasn't a loophole. The law is the law. And Vorayuth still paid a price︌ -- in fact, probably a price so high that not very many others would pay︍ it.

For anyone facing a similar choice, make this decision with a clear understanding of︎ the sacrifices it will take. For me, back in the day, just being able to️ take control of my own journey was worth it all. But what is the right‌ choice for one man isn't always the right choice for his brother.

Here's to hoping and praying‍ that you never return.

 

[jafo]

This is‌ the MOST underrated statement on this whole OCT Forum!
Only those who have traveled this‍ journey and felt that heat can understand this statement!
This is the difference between theory⁠ and reality!

PS. To those who remember Nolan Ryan, he was able to throw up⁤ to 108 MPH (174 km/h), but he had a hard time hitting a ball even⁣ at 80 MPH. And like probably 100% of spectators watching at home telling a professional⁢ major league batter what he should do to knock Nolan Ryan's pitch out of the︀ ballpark... it's a WHOLE different world standing at that plate and facing the HEAT. Don't︁ believe me? Find some batting cages in your city and try to hit a ball︂ at 85MPH and you'll see. smi(&% rof/%

 

[Sigma]

https://www.safetydetectives.com/blog/dark-web-the-average-cost-of-buying-a-new-identity/

 

[Jacksonhole]

No. Stay away.

On balance, darkdocs do more harm‌ than good.

OP is already in a delicate spot. He needs to keep under the‍ radar -- which means: he can't use his own papers too much. But if a⁠ set of alternative papers gets flagged as fake, he'll suddenly be in a whole new⁤ world of trouble and needs a new plan just for dealing with the fallout.

Can darkdocs have their use? Certainly. I'm sure lots of us have had our fun with⁣ them. But think twice before pulling out the packet. And for sure never cross borders⁢ or do ANYTHING with any government or official entity that can be traced back.

They work for a bunch of things. They are useful to have for an ad hoc︀ situation. But they won't solve OP's problem -- and if he uses them for anything︁ serious or long term, he's increasing the risk of being found.

I'll just leave that︂ here:

The better solution is︅ to limit one's contact with local authorities to the bare minimum and, ideally, only engage︆ with them when it won't put one's freedom or happiness in danger.

 

[Peter Taradash]

I couldn't agree more. This is the PT (perpetual tourist) way:

*"The better solution is‌ to limit one's contact with local authorities to the bare minimum and, ideally, only engage‍ with them when it won't put one's freedom or happiness in danger."*

I once had⁠ a client with no I.D. who would be called an "undocumented alien." He agreed that⁤ a quality fake ID was going to be a slightly better alternative than no ID⁣ at all.
I told him about a website where he could get a foreign "replica⁢ ID card" that was definitely not an officially issued government document. In other words, if︀ there was a computer check, it would immediately be revealed as a fake.

He made︁ the card. It looked (on the surface), pretty official. I told him that if he︂ was on the other side of the world, and a cop at an outdoor cafe︃ was quickly checking everybody's ID, something he got on the dark web could be better︄ than nothing --That is if the inspection was strictly visual by a lone cop who︅ was probably going to be looking for a particular suspect or individual.
On one occasion,︆ his document did work as planned.
Then, a year later, incredibly, & against my very︇ specific warning, the guy went to an office in the country of his fake ID︈ to request a renewal. Do I need to tell you what happened then? Take a︉ guess.
His freedom was over.
Bottom line: Don't use fake documents at all except maybe︊ as a last resort. If there is any chance that there will be a computer︋ check or challenge to fake documents, the chance is about 100% that you will end︌ up in deep sh*t.
Besides that, the majority of Dark Web sites are scams that︍ will take your money & deliver nothing useful.

 

[Jacksonhole]

Well, what can I say‌ . . . I learned from the best. And I'm thrilled to see you've still‍ got it, octogenarian or not.

To OP:
@bingbong - you want to follow the advice⁠ given here. This man literally wrote the book on how to solve your problem. Heed⁤ it well.

When you've met more than a fair share of good men who got⁣ into big doo-doo and against all odds managed to find a way out, you get⁢ a sense of works and what doesn't. That's the case here.

 

[JohnLocke]

I must say I am extremely impressed by the response and the wealth of information‌ you have received in this thread. It is worth its weight in gold and not‍ an everyday occurrence that one posts a problem of this magnitude and receives so much⁠ response from such intelligent people who are part of our community. I am happy to⁤ see the development and thank everyone who participates in this thread, I am impressed.

 

[jafo]

I love it! There is lots of empathy and very few⁢ people here enjoy SCHADENFREUDE!
(there are a few exceptions due to ignorance, i.e. never having︀ been in prison or facing the meat grinder of the state and their henchmen, who︁ give the wrong "advice" but this is because of cognitive dissonance - they still hallucinate︂ that there is "justice in law".)

Just yesterday we had someone here trying to inject︃ snitchjacketing*** into this forum!
Unfamiliar with this term? 🙄
Well, some "lucky" people who have battled︄ against the largest/most dangerous mafia under the ruse of "government" and NEVER EVER trusted their︅ "lawyers" are vastly familiar with these terms and recognize them in a heartbeat!

I don't︆ want gullible people, especially the young (e.g. OP) and the elderly, who are victims of︇ scapegoating in mala prohibita, to be used as cannon fodder and stepping stones for career︈ parasites disguised as "public servants".

@bingbong , OP, now knows what I am talking about.︉ Six months before he reached out to Andy, OP would have probably thought I was︊ crazy, but now he found out that the state is NOT his friend, but his︋ enemy! 😉
There isn't a single case in the world where someone who wants to "subtract"︌ from you is your friend!

*** Definition of snitchjacketing = Urban Dictionary: snitchjacketing (date =︍ 2006 when someone defined it publicly)

 

[Peter Taradash]

" Keep in mind that once you become an Argentinian citizen,⁤ there is no way to get rid of that citizenship." said a contributor.
Peter Taradash says there are many more important things to be concerned about than getting or⁣ having citizenship like Russian, Argentine or any other you cannot (theoretically) renounce. Once you have⁢ a new life & are living far away from the country of your birth or︀ citizenship, you merely put your old passport in a drawer to (my advice) keep it︁ for a rainy day. You forget about it and in most cases, your "motherland" will︂ forget about you. If you have serious enemies in the old country who want to︃ assassinate or kidnap you, they can try and will try whether you have renounced or︄ otherwise. High profile people like the Russian ex-leader, Leon Trotsky and the ex-Paraguayan dictator (forgot︅ his name) might be hunted down & murdered by gov't agents, but small peanuts like︆ you, NO.

 

[Wellington]

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/st...fake-passport-conviction-JcxnBd5NlhK25Fkwdrxq
Had billions, no one knew where he was... used a fake ID to fly out︌ of the country lol

This is a good point.

There's a chap called Calen Powel or something⁤ /clover crypto or something -> shared a video of his on here before.

Reportedly a⁣ few years ago he flew into the US and the FBI wanted access to his⁢ devices (he refused) they retained them.

At the time he was involved in Bitconnect or︀ this was post Bitconnect and there was a similar project called ARB/APEX or something... (CFTC/SEC︁ sued a few years ago).

Alas he left the US (it was a trip) and︂ vowed to never return, been named in a few cases and most of the people︃ he knew are in prison now.

He however moved to Asia -> then South America︄ -> Lima.

In Lima he's settled down, got a girlfriend, she's had a kid.

He needs to get residence... to get that he needs conformation of no criminal records... the︅ FBI provided as there are none, even though he is very likely a person of︆ interest civil/criminal *unless he is providing state evidence* yet he himself is very adverse to︇ heading to the US.

Key take away they complied the fact is no criminal records...︈ so issue the document...

Downside the chap above has a criminal record and has spent︉ time in prison... so that would be released.... longterm visas generally require that... and short-term︊ do not, but short term means moving consistently and also running out of pages in︋ the passport...

Perhaps order a Second official passport with the largest amount of papers as︌ a redundancy, (my country allows two passports i believe).
and perhaps try and find a︍ country in a region where there is some sort of cross border free flow of︎ travel.. and a digital ID, or regional ID.. where you don't have to continuously use️ up the pages...

However again i revert back to 'best to go home and resolve'.‌

 

[jafo]

Alfredo Strößner 😉

I agree with‍ everything above, except this one. I'll provide a few cases where is it best that⁠ one allows their accusers to die of old age. 😉

 

[Jacksonhole]

The default option is indeed the most logical: After all, who doesn't want‌ to clear his good name? Or not have to worry about the what-if's of being‍ on someone else's Wanted-list?

But sometimes this simply isn't up to us.

Looking back at⁠ my own beef, I was fully prepared to play along. Why? Because I wanted justice.⁤ But after a year of trying six ways from Sunday, it became more and more⁣ obvious that this wasn't in the cards that the authorities offered at the time. In⁢ the end, my only realistic choice was to just walk away and start from scratch︀ somewhere else.

I was never a fugitive from justice. I became a fugitive from injustice.

As a wise man once︂ said, "cada caso é um caso" -- by which we infer that everyone's circumstances︃ are different and one size doesn't fit all.

OP made it clear he won't put︄ up with any more abuse from the corrupt officials in his country. So the logical︅ default option isn't necessarily there for him.

Instead, he needs to make the best of︆ a bad situation. He has to choose from the alternatives, none of which are perfect︇ -- but some of which are workable and can still result in a good, safe︈ and productive life, all other things considered.

Extreme measures in the defense of one's freedom︉ is no vice; moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.