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Ok, yes there are anti tax haven rules, and stuff like Norway (not an EU‌ country I know) taxing you for three calendar years after you leave (still mitigated by‍ DTAs). If you are an Italian for example and you move to the UAE without⁠ having employment in the UAE or some very valid reason to live there, then you⁤ are basically staying as a tax resident in Italy.

However, come on, it is still⁣ totally possible and not that difficult to get out of the tax net of an⁢ EU country. Like dont be stupid, if you are an Italian dont move (directly) to︀ a country on their tax haven list, if you are Swedish dont keep significant ties︁ to Sweden, if you are Dutch establish a lot of small ties to your new︂ country, etc.

And having lived many years in West Africa you realise how moot all︃ this extraterritorial taxation really is (with the possible exception of the US). I mean basically︄ all countries in West Africa arent part of CRS or any international reporting standards, authorities︅ dont answer email, street have no names or numbers so there are no reliable addresses,︆ there is no such thing as a personal tax return. As an EU citizen, you︇ can just register in a West African country, and then you can do what the︈ hell you want*, the EU country has absolutely no ability to check.

*Except possibly if︉ you are part of the Italian mafia, and open a restaurant and import tons and︊ tons of cocaine from South America, and also sell it openly in the restaurant. Had︋ a case like this, and the West African country reluctantly did something about it after︌ a huge international investigation involving Italian and Brazilian police. Mafia guys insisted on going to︍ prison in West Africa, not Italy, because they know they can bribe the prison officials,︎ get Pablo Escobar finca/prison treatment and get out after a while. And the restaurant is️ still operating, amazing food, not sure if they still sell cocaine though.
 
Considered high risk⁤ to who? If you have a EU and CBI passport there is nothing they can⁣ do to you in EU as an EU citizen. it's only really any issue if⁢ you have i.e an Iranian and CBI passport or Russian and CBI passport and only︀ then you may get issues trying to enter US and maybe EU at some point.︁ Rest of non-western free world does not really care too much.

Thats not true.︅ I have discussed in threads specifially about Spain in other threads. If you have money︆ it is not so easy to just leave the tax net.

Exit tax in Spain:︇ what it is and how to escape the “tax trap”​

https://www.relocateandsave.org/en/exit-tax-spain/
 
Ok, sure there should be an asterix saying , if⁤ you are subject to the exit tax you can just pay the exit tax and⁣ leave Spain and never pay any taxes to Spain again. And your article covers how⁢ to defer the exit tax, and that it is not so easy to avoid the︀ Spanish exit tax entirely.

But I keep saying that one should leave tax hell countries︁ while one is young, before having made significant amounts of money, and before getting a︂ house, a volvo, and a dog.
 
That's not the issue (only); there are countries in the EUSSR that are forcing you‌ to get Tax Residence Cert each and every year (otherwise they are getting you back‍ to their prison-system), and also they do not allow you (even if you are 10⁠ years out of their sh!tstem) to move to specific countries as they are having several⁤ countries marked as non-cooperative.

So you can't move to any country that doesn't give TRC⁣ (like the Philippines), or because they are black-listed (by OEshitD) etc, Panama, Barbados, Caribbean, Seycheles,⁢ Domenican Republic, Paraguay, Maldives and by the way The Philippines too etc etc etc.. So︀ you are a slave of them in each and every move - extremely restricted. Even︁ you're away 10 years+ of these terrible EUSSR countries.

That's why I want to soon︂ renounce the eu passport having another one, whatever it is. I'm fed up with this︃ slavery and yes I know that losing a very good EU passport is losing some︄ visa-free countries, but been so restricted is worst than everything else, as you actually have︅ the passport but due to this terrible shitycenship you can't enjoy life, or travel anywhere,︆ and having to stay only to specific countries that they "approve" and have not in︇ the black list (OECShitD)...

@Martin Everson so you say that there is nothing bad getting︈ a Santa Lucia Or Dominica passport to get you to High Risk etc (hard KYCs︉ etc) - I was reading a few things around the forum here about it.. Do︊ you agree to make it ? (you know you are my Approval - can't do︋ without it : )))))

Cheers and many thanks
 
Hang on, which EU country forces⁣ you to get a TRC every year just to be out of their tax net?⁢ I was just aware that Spain requires you to prove that you live in another︀ country when you move out, and in practice a TRC is the best way to︁ prove this. I thought this was a one time thing though.

Otherwise generally TRCs are︂ typically just useful to confirm residency under Double Taxation Agreements, but to even have this︃ need, there must be some reason to believe one is not completely out of the︄ tax net.
 
A few EUSSR countries are doing it...and more are about to do it. So, I‌ can't do ANYTHING at all without having TRC each and every year.. That's the reason‍ i want to buy any other passport and then when I'll be so insane with⁠ them, renounce the problem...

I was thinking to go to Domenica Rep. and stay 2⁤ years and make the passport with residency but my terrible EUSSR shityzenship can't allow me;⁣ been in Domenica will switch me back to them, as it's one of the many⁢ in the non-cooperative countries so it's a deadend....
Getting back to the imporant question: is︀ there any danger / risk / to get obligations - headaches - problems - requirements︁ - army services etc getting a Dominica or Santa Lucia passport? And from them which︂ you consider best? Or what else would you suggest?
Thank you!
 
A lot︀ of countries continue to consider you a tax resident even if you move to a︁ lower-tax country.
You remain a tax resident until you can prove that you have no︂ significant ties to your previous country, that you are actually a resident in the new︃ country, and meet other relevant requirements.
Greece, Norway, Finnland & more.
I heard from cases︄ where they had to send utility bills etc every year .

e.g https://www.vero.fi/en/individuals/...m_finland/finnish_citizens_and_the_3year_rul/
 
Terrible is the least I can say.... so, people are deciding to leave, work fair,⁣ survive, live happily and they have this.. what to say more?
 
You can still manage it , but you have to proof strong ties to⁠ your new country and no ties to your previous country.
But it's definitely not easy⁤ and it gets much more difficult every year.
 
Ok, but for Finland you make a one time request⁢ showing that you have no ties to Finland, and if approved you are out. And︀ otherwise you are out after 3 years. For Norway, you cant make a request, you︁ are in for three years (but DTAs can stop any taxes to Norway during these︂ three years), but after three years you are out. And note that neither Finland nor︃ Norway request TRCs from the new country.

What JackieTsan is talking about is something completely︄ different, an EU country supposedly requiring a TRC every year forever. That means you cant︅ even live in countries that dont issue TRCs, and you never get out of it.︆

If JackieTsan was Finnish it would be chill, he wouldnt be talking about renouncing his︇ Finnish citizenship at all.
 
I have left the tax net of three EU countries and never had any issues‌ and never been asked for a TRC or even been close to needing one.

One of the countries Ive left is Sweden, there I filled in form SKV7665, saying Im‍ going to country X, Im planning to be away more than 1 year, this is⁠ my new address abroad, goodbye! Then after filing my Swedish tax return that year, plus⁤ some more questions including which date I planned to come back (I overwrote the date⁣ field with "I have currently no plans to come back") , I got a response⁢ from the tax authorities saying they have done a residency investigation and concluded that they︀ consider me not being tax resident in Sweden (begränsat skattskyldig). That's it, out.

For Sweden︁ the burden of proof to show that you are not a tax resident in Sweden︂ technically lies with the individual for the first 5 years, and with the tax agency︃ after that. In Finland it's only 3 years, and only applies to Finnish citizens. For︄ Sweden it applies to non-citizens that have been residents in Sweden a long time as︅ well.

So Finland is a little easier to leave, but it's essentially very similar. As︆ long as you dont have any of the clearly defined ties, and dont spend too︇ much time in Sweden/Finland, you will be considered a non tax resident from year 1.︈ And it's a one time communication with tax authorities , no TRC required, and you︉ are out forever. (unless you start getting ties or spend a lot of time there)︊
 
Correct my friend.. but i see at the Finish that if︃ you own a house (no wifes, no kids, no business etc) they don't let you︄ out?? So you're not even allowed to have an aparment at the country you were︅ born (closed - not rented just having your previous home and visiting once per 1-2︆ years) ? just because you don't want to sell it - kill it and maybe︇ go as vacation for 20-30 days per year? terrible, isnt' it ?
 
(no wifes,⁢ no kids, no business etc)
Yup, those are the ties! There was even a case︀ of a Swedish businessman having lived outside Sweden for 20 years as a non tax︁ resident, but then his 17 year old daughter moved to Sweden to study - and︂ that counts as a tie (minor child), so this businessman got an enormous tax bill︃ for the year his daughter lived in Sweden.

>So you're not even allowed to have︄ an aparment at the country you were born (closed - not rented just having your︅ previous home and visiting once per 1-2 years)

Nope, and you cant even rent an︆ apartment long term. But you can possibly own a property that isnt habitable all year︇ round.

And you can own property for investment purposes, given that you have never used︈ the property as your official registered address. And an inherited property also doesnt make you︉ tax resident.

>terrible, isnt' it ?
Well, better than Spain, worse than Ireland. At least︊ rules are clear, and no exit tax. And I have no desire to own a︋ property in Sweden or Finland anyway. Didnt buy before I moved. Lots of better places︌ around the world to own property in!
 
@JackieTsan Look, man, everyone’s getting lost in the weeds here but they’re missing the real‌ play. If you actually want to stay squeaky clean in the EU’s eyes while still‍ living free of their tax leash, you don’t run to Dominica or St. Lucia first,⁠ you plant yourself somewhere the EU can’t blacklist with a straight face. That place is⁤ Uruguay.

They speak Spanish, they’re stable, they’re boring as hell, but they’ve got a tax⁣ regime that’s basically a middle finger to your home country without looking like one. You⁢ get residency, pick the 10-year foreign income exemption, and the EU can’t touch you as︀ long as you’ve cut the ties they’re obsessed with.

The beauty of it is you︁ don’t even need to renounce your EU passport right away. Keep it for travel, banking,︂ and paperwork that needs a “serious” nationality. Use your Uruguayan address for KYC and residency︃ proof (Compliance asshats only see EU passport + Uruguay residency, u pass) , enjoy your︄ tax holiday, and stay invisible to your old tax man. Uruguay isn’t on the OECD’s︅ naughty list, so none of those blacklist-triggered restrictions you’re ranting about apply. You’re in a︆ jurisdiction that plays nice with everyone but still gives you the room to operate like︇ you’re in a classic low-tax haven.

If later on you still want a CBI passport,︈ fine, get it as a travel booster or insurance policy, but by then you’ll already︉ be living where the EU’s rules barely graze you. And in a few years, you︊ can take Uruguayan citizenship if you want a totally fresh identity (your EU passport will︋ come handy here, easier for EU citizens to apply).

Meanwhile, everyone else can debate what︌ Spain, Finland, or Greece might do next, you’ll be sipping maté in Montevideo.

This is︍ the Correct answer, not the only/easy answer, but hey, you do you.
 
Hi! Regarding "high risk" it's quite easy. Imagine opening account︄ or applying for a visa and talking to somebody who tries to assess your risk︅ level in 15 seconds:
- Where are you from?
- I'm Spanish but live in︆ the Philippines.
- Why the Philippines?
- I work there. Nice weather, cheap life.
- Oh cool.
In many cases people don't bat an eye. Makes sense. No problem.
If you have a CBI passport it will become:
- Where are you from?
- I'm︇ Saint Lucian but live in the Philippines.
- Saint... Where is that?
- It's a︈ tiny island in Caribbean.
- Oh you are from there?
- Actually I was born︉ in Spain but I'm Saint Lucian.
- So you moved there and got citizenship? But︊ you said Philippines.
- Um, I have never been there actually...

The second case looks︋ a bit less straightforward and risk-free, right? If you keep your first citizenship you can︌ just omit info about the second one in many cases.
If you renounce be ready︍ to have something like that conversation from time to time.
 
i wouldnt mind saying the︄ truth at all as I always do :
- Where are you from?
- I'm︅ Saint Lucian but live in the Philippines.
- Saint... Where is that?
- It's a︆ tiny island in Caribbean.
- Oh you are from there?
- Actually I was born︇ in xxxEUSSR country, but I'm Saint Lucian.
- So you moved there and got citizenship?︈ But you said Philippines.
- Yes, I live in the Philippines free and happy, because︉ my EUSSR passport was creating me ONLY problems... So, been clever, I bought a CBI︊ Saint Lucian passport because I can afford it, and I renounced my EUSSR shityzineship that︋ tortured me since day one in this life...

Simple things, honest, fair, clear...
Truth to︌ be told my friend...
 
If the other Caribbean nations institute ETAs like St. Kitts and these passports lose Schengen‌ access, the main draw might become the OECS and access to a CARICOM skills certificate‍ if you are Caribbean oriented.

Pay $250,000 to avoid $20 for an ETA every three⁠ years? Probably not many are going for that, even doing it for six islands, so⁤ I’d expect the real estate and business investment options of these programs to be further⁣ reconfigured like some islands have started to do to at least offer the possibility, however⁢ remote, of investors getting their money back.

These programs are going to have to change︀ to survive.

However, if merely holding an Antiguan passport gets you flagged for EDD like︁ some here say (and I don’t know), that is another complication.
 
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