Fighting for Ukraine – a discussion...

[PassinBy]

Are they really that much safer when Ukraine is reconstituting a domestic cruise and ballistic‌ missile capability? Everyone on the Western side is tolerating Kaliningrad... Where does this all end?‍

The Finnish border is 333km from St Petersburg.

And where are these missiles? "We" mothballed⁠ all these things at the end of the Cold War.

At the same time, we⁤ have almost no missiles, we don't want to strike Russia, and we've dismantled the infrastructure⁣ (potentially duel use ABM sites aside), so reestablishing the Intermediary Forces Treaty in some form⁢ should have been an easy win. Any argument for "Russia is paranoid" is also an︀ argument for "Russia is cheap to placate".

 

[369]

Don't talk BS from which you‌ have no clue expcially for people holding power in the west.
They are ready for‍ nuclear war if they would have a big advantage which they hoped falsly when installing⁠ the anti rocket system in poland and czech.
Their main goal is to get rid⁤ of Putin and make russia a pro NATO nation like under Jelzin and to destroy⁣ their competitors BRICS in the financial monetary system which would give USA power over all⁢ countries in the world.

 

[polonieth]

I'm not sure why people have⁤ such a hard time viewing foreign conflicts without advocating blindly for either side; look at⁣ the facts on the ground.

I suppose if you have a financial stake in the⁢ outcome, then I can understand the activism as you shill your bags, but most people︀ have zero skin in the game; they are just falling for blatant propaganda. Becoming a︁ radical advocate for one side means you give up your ability to understand the conflict︂ and just become a parrot, as we see all over social media. "unprovoked" "sovereign and︃ democratic republic of Ukraine" "dictator" "illegal invasion" "genocide" bla bla bla.

Even the Americans are︄ now calling it a proxy war.

 

[John Spectre]

the grandfathers of certain users on this forum would definitely be proud of their grandchildren.‌ Lol.

 

[polonieth]

Good stuff from Professor Diesen:

https://rumble.com/embed/v6o1v94/?pub=xzlh7

 

[John Spectre]

Privet one more rusky⁤ in this forum.
And poka 😀

 

[369]

Oh yeah the grandfathers would beat the s**t out of poles‍ for helping this massivly ukraine after the Volhynia massakre where ukrainian killed 10.000 people majority⁠ woman and children by the most cruel way possible including torturing.
You guys are not⁤ much loved here that i can tell and expcially they hate the demand of ukrainians.⁣

So yeah polish people have a deep hate on ukrainians because of Volhynia where you⁢ deny exhumation till today because the cruelty ukrainians did to children and woman would be︀ exposed which doesn't fit the current narrative.

They have to......its in the interest of the west and usa.
Putin already threatened to give it back to the germans.
It's a more complex story to︂ understand the history behind it but the result would be the collapse of the administration︃ of Federeal Republic of Germany the instant demand of west poland back to Deutsche Reich︄ and Poland could demand back their territory from west ukraine which are till today by︅ law only under ukrainian administration and nothing more.

This would create a complete chaos in︆ europe

 

[John Spectre]

well.
after a few days of 'experiments' we can end the game with the conclusion‌ that certain users are just bots, simply broadcasting narratives.

- you don't participate in their‍ dialogues, but they still try to outshine your messages with their statements , constantly quoting⁠ you and spreading bunch of trash

- their message must necessarily be BIGGER, MASSIVE than⁤ the one they are supposedly responding to, in order to give significance to the nonsense⁣ they write

- it doesn't matter if you ask simple questions, if you are having⁢ a dialogue on some topic with someone or so. they just come out with a︀ bunch of numberless statements, because initial message contain several 'keywords' that they got baited by︁

- it doesn't matter what topic, what meaningless or meaningful message you send - there︂ will always be a response, with an attempt to impose a discussion of very specific︃ and concrete topics.

Nice, but bored. Even dialogues with chatgpt more interesting.

 

[369]

how much you get as psyop ?

 

[polonieth]

From the guy who never answers any questions.

Just some rant from︅ someone who lost a debate and now wants to pretend the discussion was beneath them︆

 

[daniels27]

I wish all those that are fighting here would be willing to fight at front‌ line too.

 

[polonieth]

Why would citizens of neither Russia or Ukraine‍ be willing to fight on the front lines?

You'd be the scum of the earth⁠ - a mercenary.

 

[daniels27]

Many reasons. You defend your place. You can feel‍ the sense of achievement (unlike here).

No, you will start saving the planet CO2 daily.⁤ It is good for the environment and for future generations.

 

[369]

@Daniel why are you and spectre not on the front a long time ago ?‌
What are you guys waiting for ?

You can tell us after the war your‍ achievement we will love to her them once you went to the front

Why are⁠ you NOT willing to go on the front when being so supportive towards ukraine and⁤ speading notorious propaganda ?
Or do you see you spreading propaganda on behalf of ukraine⁣ as achievment to support ukraine at the cost of fools falling for it ?

 

[daniels27]

As you know, I am neutral.

I am not aware that I was spreading⁤ propaganda. If I go through my posts here, I think most are questions and I⁣ think they are pretty much balanced between both opinions.